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my waffel :)

 

Hello Richard, i congratulate you regarding your new ministerial position.

 

I understand you have signed off the new coarse fish legislation that will prevent the taking of coarse fish. My interest is regards the common eel. During the fresh water consultation, the E A in collaboration with others including the angling trust agreed for a ban in taking the common eel out to six mile. As a dedicated rsa i was in the dark regarding this proposal as were all sea anglers. Following the announcement of the ban i made both the E A and the angling trust aware of my displeasure, to no avail. The angling trust did not inform the sea angler nor their own sea committee of their collaboration, at that time. Even the E A acknowledged that the eel take ban would not have a significant effect on the stock. The majority of eel taken seaward will now be returned dead, due to deep hooking and large hooks used. In addition there now appears to be a good catch of elvers for the commercial sector. Yet you have decided to agree this legislation.

It appears that you are carrying on where the labour party have left off, un-necessary legislation that was hidden from the very people whom it is going to effect.

 

As a dedicated recreational sea angler i have been disgusted with the reams and reams of consultation paper shuffling by the labour government for the last thirteen years. To date nothing has been set in stone regarding the sea anglers only wish, more and bigger fish. The E U have failed with the cfp, yet we are now going through a phase of re-writing the cfp, Yet more paper chasing and no improvement on the depleted stock. Not fit for purpose. In addition the mcz's project, as dictated to us by the failed management of the E U. The example of Lundy that has been closed now for a period of five years, without any proof that angling for example has had any effect, where the guys who are controlling this area concede that it will take another 30-40 years before they can confirm that other species apart from lobsters and the divers have benefited.

 

The only positive item during those long thirteen years for the rsa was the bass mls increase, even that fell by the wayside.

 

Are the rsa going to expect more of the same in the future, I certainly hope not.

 

Stop press. :o just received my copy of the crap letter, thought they had missed me out on that.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Yet another one!

 

Hello again Richard,

 

Just another little note to remind you of some of the details of the recently passed ridiculously thought out legislation.

 

I note that I and all of the other anglers are allowed to take smelt under 20cm. Still no allowance for edible size common fish such as perch or other common fish. Just an allowance to take loads of undersized specimens of a UK BAP species.....all in the name of conservation?

 

This really does need re-thinking before implementation!

 

Regards, Worms B.Sc., M.Sc., DIC, CBiol, MIBiol. (ecologist dealing with protected species)

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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And another! This time to Adrian Taylor of the EA, the brainchild behind the whole cock-up! (adrian.taylor@environment-agency.gov.uk)

 

What a shame such a shambles of a byelaw has been passed. No evidence that anglers taking coarse fish for the table is affecting stocks so you ban it!

 

Ignoring Natural England's advice, allowing UK BAP species to be taken as undersize fish yet preventing legitimate retention of edible sized coarse fish!

 

Not allowed to remove selected non-native fish (the favourite fish of the specialist groups you targeted in the consultation) even if they are damaging SSSI rivers containing salmon and shad!

 

Allowing private fisheries to make a choice but banning river users from eating fish that is owned by all. Is that legal?

 

I have no idea how all of this was put together by the Environment Agency that the public pays for without consultation but, I suppose that is the way of the world these days.

 

I honestly hope that fish thieves will be caught by this legislation but I fear only honest anglers after the occasional meal will be the real targets.

 

All my faith (previously significant) in the EA has disappeared. You may even notice that your coffers are £72 lighter as I haven't bothered to renew my licence!

 

Regards, Worms.

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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And a modified version to Mark Lloyd

Mark,

 

What a shame such a shambles of a byelaw has been passed and, with support from the AT. No evidence that anglers taking coarse fish for the table is affecting stocks so it is banned!

 

Ignoring Natural England's advice and of course the well established Salmon and Trout Association with 100,000 members and 100 years of river and fish stock management, the byelaw has been passed allowing UK BAP species to be taken as undersize fish (smelt) yet preventing legitimate retention of edible sized coarse fish such as perch!

 

Not allowed to remove selected non-native fish (the favourite fish, common carp of course, of the specialist groups that were targeted in the consultation) even if they are damaging SSSI rivers containing salmon and shad!

 

What a way to conserve our fisheries. It's almost like a bad dream.

 

Allowing private fisheries to make a choice but banning river users from eating fish that is owned by all. Is that legal? Can fish legal possibly look into this?

 

I have no idea how all of this was put together by the Environment Agency that the public pays for without consultation but, I suppose that is the way of the world these days.

 

I honestly hope that fish thieves will be caught by this legislation but I fear only honest anglers after the occasional meal will be the real targets.

 

All my faith (previously significant) in the EA has disappeared. I haven't bothered to renew my licence this year, after all, what with all the predators eating all of the fish (note Ruth Lockwoods anti predator group on your forum) what's the point? Even if I do catch something I won't be able to eat it should I choose.

 

As for the AT I have been watching things very closely over the last year. Your forum confirms my worst fears, giving the impression that the AT comprises a narrow-minded bunch of specialist and match anglers with no respect for the wider angling community and certainly little knowledge of aquatic ecology. As a comitted RSA I am also very disillusioned with all of the in-fighting.

 

The AT claims to represent all anglers and to oppose angling bans. You supported this one and have effectively excluded a lot of traditional river anglers from following an age old tradition in favour of the current stocked pond "yank 'em out all year long without regard for long term fish welfare" brigade. Shame!

 

You guessed it, I'm not a member and at this rate never will be. Every one of my river angling friends also refuse to join as long as the AT is seen as a carp fetishist club. Ring the changes, support real angling, fresh and saltwater and leave the pond stuff to Cemex and Angling Times.

 

Regards, Worms

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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And of course one to my local MP.

 

Dear Bill Wiggin,

How unfortunate that Richard Benyon has confirmed and continued the

abysmally thought out legislation regarding a ban on retaining coarse

fish that was thought up during the New Labour regime. His letter to me

suggested that consultation with anglers would be important!

 

Now we have legislation that enables us as anglers to kill undersize UK

BAP species (smelt) yet we are not able to take mature coarse fish for

the table.

 

It will be illegal to remove certain non-native species (common carp)

that are invading our salmon and shad spawning rivers (SSSIs by the

way). This has ended an entire centuries old tradition of angling, the

sustainable river angler's occasional one for the pot approach that the

modern stocked pond angler does not understand.

 

Not only will the legislation fail to protect fisheries and fish stocks

it will actively promote environmental damage to both.

 

The idea of the legislation was also intended to stop fish theft. How

pointless. As you are well aware, those that already break existing

laws won't give two hoots about breaking another one that can't be

enforced.

 

I thought we might be in for a refreshing change but it looks as if

politics is going its own way as usual, "get the vote and bugger the

electorate!"

 

Let's hope you don't decide to ban shooting for food next!

 

Regards, Worms.

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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Really looking forward to the responses. Then i suppose it will map out who the real rsa and real fresh water anglers are going to have a go at for the next four or five years. Nice one Worms, you little anachist you. :D

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Ok you lot, you've twisted my arm :D. I'll be penning my own questions/comments to the appropriate people over the weekend. Will keep you informed of any replies.

 

 

John

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Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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Hi all thought I would add my five pence worth here is copy of my letter to his lord ship.....

 

Rodbenders

For charter boat fishing folk

29 Penhale Estate Strawberry Lane Redruth Cornwall TR15 1HG

Telephone 01209 218805

Mobile 07788 477447

28th May 2010

 

Richard Benyon MP

Houses of Parliament

Parliament Square,

St Margaret's Street,

Westminster,

SW1A 0AA

 

New Coarse Fishing Byelaws Coming Into Force

Dear Mr. Benyon

 

Firstly may I congratulate you on your appointment as minister to among other things the Marine and Coastal Access Act?

 

Given the known close association to your predecessor it came as no surprise that you went and rubber stamped this your first piece of legislation.

 

I ‘am some what disappointed however and would explain by asking you one simple question. Which will have the larger impact on stock, Recreational Anglers or commercial netters?

 

As you can see it’s not necessary to be a rocket scientist to work that out so my next question is ‘why then pass this new law to try and save the ells’ by banning anglers but allowing the commercial take to continue?’

 

While this law is aimed at fresh water angling it does in fact cover salt water tidal estuaries. If this then is the extent of your knowledge haven help the far more important coastal fisheries that might fall under your watch.

 

No need for you worry to much though as I and a few others will gladly point you in the right direction and we are likely to be much cheaper and better informed than those who advised the previous ministers in your department.

 

Respectably yours

Bob Shotter

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Wouldn't it be realy a shot up the arris for the a t if the new minister actually responded to the real anglers and reconcidered this awful piece of legislation, is it too much to hope.

 

liked your last para Bob. :thumbs:

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Looking back at the A T's involvement regarding this issue. It appears that the A T bosses confirmed that the eel ban was being discussed with the sea committee as confirmed in a post on the A T's web site.

 

Now this was posted on december the 20th. On Jan the 11th, the sea committee had finalised and reported back their desision to go for a ban as confirmed in a posting on that date. The questions i have is did the meeting and much discussion actually take place and if so was it over the christmas holiday period. I am aware that there was resistance in particular due to the fact that eels were now going to be thrown back dead etc. Anyone willing to clarify, or is this going to be a secret from the rsa that leaves yet more questions with regards to the A T's involvement. An issue as important as this needs transparancy, as questions at that time was already being raised with regards to the value of this ban. Well?

 

How many meetings do the sea committee hold over the year? Was it the A T conservation that had these discussions instead?

 

Dec 20th post:

 

There is a debate going on about eels amongst the marine committee Steve and your comments will contribute to that debate.

 

Jan 11th post:

 

Hi Bob,

Sorry for delay, I missed this one. Leon gave me a nudge.

My own view isn't really relevant, but the AT view that has been arrived at, after much discussion on the Marine Committee, is set out in our press release as follows:

 

"Anglers who for centuries have fished for eels to eat - smoked or jellied or baked in a pie - or to use as bait to catch other fish, may soon be stopped from taking them in English and Welsh rivers and lakes or within six miles of the shore.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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