Bottom Trawling

[barry luxton]

a lot of the issues raised by the "concerned RSA anglers group" make no sense whatsoever to me , so im going to ask questions.

 

Lets start with the Golden Mile, which strikes me as the ultimate idiot idea of cheap politicians but has big problems which should be discussed.

 

'lot of the issues raised'

 

 

Please put a list of the ones that don't make sense, look forward to discussing them.

 

'Golden mile'

 

I have reservation on that one however, over to you Jaffa, list the big problems please. Look forward to discussing them. Cheers.

Edited February 25, 2008 by barry luxton

[jaffa6938]

I take it none of you have seen the deadliest catch just for an example

 

when those fishermen target cod they catch nothing but cod using cages selective fishing no discards

[barry luxton]

I take it none of you have seen the deadliest catch just for an example

 

when those fishermen target cod they catch nothing but cod using cages selective fishing no discards

 

 

I think it is a brilliant way of fishing. If the americans can do it why can't it be done here? The fish are all wriggling and if any are too small throw em back with a chance of survival. Is there a reason it can't be used here, bet someone will find one.

[H.A.]

When I lived and worked in Bermuda, 'cage traps' was the only 'fin-fish' method allowed.

Even scuba equipment was banned for catching spiny lobsters and fish. Also, no mechanical spear guns were allowed.

 

A tight ship there.

 

[Jaffa]

'lot of the issues raised'

Please put a list of the ones that don't make sense, look forward to discussing them.

 

'Golden mile'

 

I have reservation on that one however, over to you Jaffa, list the big problems please. Look forward to discussing them. Cheers.

 

I've tried before but its a nice and very shiny trojan horse so debate you don't get. Its a flagship for the current RSA "movers and shakers", and slots in nicely with the aims of the big money green groups turning their attention to fisheries, therefore just ends up in a load of personal attacks. I'd love to see a teasing out of it through open debate, of just what the Golden mile may or may not mean to RSA . I'd love to see it here but without heavy moderation any dissenting voice will just be subject to accusations about their character or motives.

 

There have been some very good posts in the past by the likes of Brian Carragher (sry if thats miss-spelt) but can't say im up for a load of the usual anti commercial nonsense that these posts degenerate into.

 

Be delighted if someone did start such a post and it was kept on track though.

 

Chris

Edited February 25, 2008 by Jaffa

[Jaffa]

I think it is a brilliant way of fishing. If the americans can do it why can't it be done here? The fish are all wriggling and if any are too small throw em back with a chance of survival. Is there a reason it can't be used here, bet someone will find one.

 

History might be one, and regardless of what any of us think of a particular method, what we have is what we have.

 

Barry, try and imagine a government plan (that will of course be leaked to their m8s in the media b4 a thing is done) to alter the fisheries we have to cages. Spend 2 mins thinking about it

 

Seine net (invented by the NE scots boats) was another nice way of fishing that boomed in the 70/80's . Tremendous way of fishing that left the hard ground alone. In came the haddock quotas and from it came the drive to rockhoppers and gear that hammered the inshore and deep offshore reefs.

[H.A.]

Seine net (invented by the NE scots boats) was another nice way of fishing that boomed in the 70/80's . Tremendous way of fishing that left the hard ground alone. - Jaffa

 

Aaah yes, the 'tremendous' seine net in its various modes ...

 

Two important innovations took place in herring fishing from the 1960s. The purse-net or purse seine was introduced from Norway. It was similar to the Scottish ring net that was already used on the West Coast and in the Firth of Forth, but on a bigger scale. It works by encircling the fish with a large wall of net. Wire ropes are then run through rings and the bottom of the net is drawn tight to create a sealed pocket or purse. It could be used in the open sea because the hydraulic power block enabled the nets to be hauled mechanically.

 

The main problem with purse nets is that they caught everything, large and small. In fact it was the main reason that North Sea herring was completely wiped out in the 70s.

 

Lovely ....

 

[barry luxton]

I've tried before but its a nice and very shiny trojan horse so debate you don't get.

 

I'd love to see a teasing out of it through open debate, of just what the Golden mile may or may not mean to RSA . I'd love to see it here but without heavy moderation any dissenting voice will just be subject to accusations about their character or motives.

 

 

Be delighted if someone did start such a post and it was kept on track though.

 

Chris

 

Dissapointed. You start the ball rolling with the rsa issues that you have and the golden mile one and i will even give you a hand to keep it on track by reporting off topic posts to the mods and getting them to assist. Look forward to the discussion. Go on, go for it.

[Jaffa]

Aaah yes, the 'tremendous' seine net in its various modes ...

Lovely ....

 

 

The seine net used by the NE whitefish boats is not the purse seine you are ranting on about . Is it that your ignorant of that fact? or do you actually know their is a huge difference and choose to spin it by bringing in the unrelated issue of purse seine?

 

Barry,

 

This one post demonstrates exactly the problem with any kind of attempt at serious discussion. Purse seine has bugger all to do with the subject.

[Ian Burrett]

Lets start with the Golden Mile, which strikes me as the ultimate idiot idea of cheap politicians but has big problems which should be discussed.

 

Hi Jaffa

 

We have got the SSACN holyrood event on tomorrow. We have an hour long discussion in one of the committee rooms and around twenty MSP''s or staffers have committed to attend and 25 Scottish or European organisations.

 

Sea angling will then have an hour long debate in the chambers at 6 o'clock. See below Over 30 per cent of MSP's have signed the motion

 

It has been interesting to see the range of organisations that have asked to attend including two

static gear associations. They are both campaigning on the golden mile. Ironically we don't want it

 

SSACN's position is we would rather have individual protected areas for a specific purpose, and money pumped into the region to develop tourism and jobs through angling centres.

 

 

what was done to Uk commercials will be done to the RSA sector

 

One of the groups that have asked to attend is seafish I was looking through their website particularly on a survey they have carrying out Ironically the biggest complaint from commercials was they weren't involved in management decisions. Civil servants have a lot to answer for

 

 

 

 

 

Date of Lodging: 7 January 2008 - Short Title: Recreational Sea Angling

 

S3M-01096 John Scott (Ayr) (Con): That the Parliament

 

notes the economic and social importance of recreational sea angling to communities along the west coast and across Scotland; further notes that around 225,000 people participate in the sport annually with an average spend of £1,375 for boat anglers and £861 for shore anglers; recognises that most species of interest to sea anglers have limited commercial value and are returned alive to the sea, representing an excellent financial return for “Scotland plc”; affirms the extremely low environmental cost of recreational sea angling which is at the forefront of sustainable fishing and especially welcomes the Give Fish a Chance initiative from the Scottish Sea Angling Conservation Network, encouraging anglers to keep only those fish which have reached breeding size; regrets the substantial decline of the sport and supporting industries, notably on the Firth of Clyde, due to a loss of stocks with a number of species becoming extinct locally or reduced to the point where only juvenile specimens are now being caught; notes with concern the critically endangered status of key species, such as common skate, porbeagle and spurdog, which bring sea anglers to Scotland, and considers that work between the Government, sea angling bodies and other relevant agencies should continue to ensure the conservation of key species and the continued growth of sea angling in Scotland.

Edited February 26, 2008 by Ian Burrett