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You might be on to somthing there Newt Plus a cut of the 15 Billion

Smith

Maybe any donations made to Cancer resaerch, Heart disease, Or any of the myriad of other medical charities should be stopped from advertising as well, just incase they help foreigners with my Ten Bob, That fifty pence would feed her for the day thats all , Infastructure and civil engineering projects cost a bit more, Cutting carbon emitions alone on that continent will cost many, many more times the money we sent them, but if they don't do it do you think it would just be just them that suffer the consequences. Look at it as an investment in the planet for the good of our grand kids, You have a very one dimentional view of the world Klienie very Little I have found is as it first appears you can be certain that if there was no long term benifit in the expenditure it wouldnt have happend.

That vioce will carry her through, GMTV mentioned that she had made a bit of a splash in the USA,

Hello Newt, You are far more informed than I about the law in the USA, but it was my understanding that the president had to be born in USA territory and that was the only stipulation as to the candidates credentials, Where was Obama born?

Me to , but good fun

Which in my humble opinion is the biggest crime of all.

I think some firms already call Chritmas the winter holiday, we British and the Irish use the term holiday now for a jolly in Spain you could say the only religous linkn is the name.

Thats a good one! Or on the Subject Isaacs how about an Isacc Newton day without him discovering apples don't levitate God Knows where we would all be

Didn't my last post warrant a comment Klienie ?

My attempt at Irony mate How about Brown Day Klienie It could well be argued that Religous Bank holidays have had thier day the only reason they where granted was to get people into churches, all of the saints days that were also public holidays and feast days have gone by the by look at an elceasiastical calander,and as said most of the holy days that we observe now are pre Christian feastival days, holy saint days with no pagon roots are what have died out. It could be argued that all our hollidays are secular. and the Christians have highjacked them hence Easter not having a fixed Date but a lunar link instaed. How can the anerversary of someones death keep changing day?

Would we not just have, A Margeret Thatcher day, or a day named after another glorious brit and just Celibrate that, What did the good book say about Easter keep on moving around you never know when it is it was in winter last year wasnt it ? In actaul fact does it mention any specific date day or time for any thing.

Truth being told she's not wrong he could eat an apple through a Tennis raquett with those choppers, I see what you mean about her chin though, she looks like Bill Clinton in drag.

Geography was however his down fall because he ended up invading the Country next door Iraq Wich pleased the Iranians no end Sorry chesters I no you already pionted that out but it made me Chuckle old Rabbit dont slip up that often.

Using that rational when the UK was banckrupt in the seventies and had to go Cap in hand to the IMF they should have refused Aid untill our democraticaly elected goverment was replaced with somthing more atuned to thier liking? or does this condition only apply to third world countries, Also most of the aid raised by charities is distributed By NGOs would this also be stopped to prevent Dieing Children and the Elderly begging as it is obviously there fault that they are in that situation.

A similar arrangement in Europe barely works is heavely subsidised and you in the past have been a very viocifouras opponant of it the EU! If we struggel with it in the light of residual nationalistic Ideals how would fiecly tribal and Clan based sociatys deal with it, Educate the masses and adress the corruption a hundred yaer plan similar to Chinas could be a soulution.

Are not Africas problems firmly in the lap of the West? Owing to the Centries of colonial rape the continant, sufferd what we never spoiled the Arab civilizations took care of, we ruined the civilisations of the Westen African Gold Coast of Ghana and the Benien Empire of what is now mainly Nigeria. In the absence of better alternatives I think I can put up with the 80 or so pence it costs me a year in my tax bill, I would rather suport the aledged sponging of dieing African children, than British parasitic hand out fat, dole ponces. I think also denieing the existance of starvation in African countries in the Eighties as a bit hard to under stand In the Sudan,Ethiopia,Eritria,Somalia, The Central African Republic, Ziare,Angola,Chad,Maurutainia,To name but a few Starvation through War and famine was rife. Southern Africa was doing well granted, but feeding Africa was forced on them owing to the trade embargo placed on them oweing to Apartide, they would have rather traded with the world for the better prices thier products would have gained thier benevolance was forced on them.

My coment was firmly routed in reality, It is human nature to turn a situation to your advantage, unless you are mother Teresa or Ghandi that is. I am no fan of Smith nor most of her coleagues but I do have a realistic understanding of poeple and their frailialties, it was the system that was wrong weak and ill defined. have you never explioted a loophole at work, good on you If you haven't, I my self go looking for them. Could you honistly say you would walk away from an expence package like they have because you find it imoral. chances are you would have a bite of the cherry your self. Moraly she was wrong,most certainly but the system needed little manipulation it was flawed and ill concieved from the begining. and remember someone signs off on them!! politics is a buisness it is the carrier chioce of many, just as some poeple chose to be Bankers and screw you that way instead, If she is proven guilty of wrong doing she will lose her job I fear that the system is so explioted she is the tip of the iceberg it will transpire that she done nothing wrong, the system will be tightend. and then we will trundell on merrily untill the next display of human weakness from polititions a very public Sex scandel proberly! Why should you not respect the stars in the adult film industry? they are just doing a job, and explioting human nature to their advantage, and peoples expense.

A man goes into a library and asks for a book on suicide. The librarian says; "F*ck off, you won't bring it back."

Turning the arguement on its head Guys if you could legaly claim expenses for a second home knowing the system was poorly thought out and maliable, would you not take advantage of it as a perk, I would have thought this practice has gone on for years, Now it may be the case that this goverment is more greedy than past Incumbants, or it may be just bad luck that owing to the climate someone has done a bit of digging, its also not out of the question that someone is paying back a past favour, as it wasnt that long ago a Conservertive MP was Nicked for leaking information

IS IT !

It was a bit off side I must agree!

How is old Ferret? I liked his posts! Klienie, You do have a habbit of berrating the young, Not all of them are Bad as no doubt you know. can you not remember being 14 and full of hormons. saying and doing daft things, did you never pull a stroke or two behind your old mans back, Did you ever wish that adult's wern't as quick to hand out a slap.Dont say a smack never harmed you as it has! its made you feel that Its ok to hurt people in order to make them do your will, as a prefered course of action not as a last resort. I am not anti smacking I just havent had to and my lads are good kids they have had thier moments and we have got through them, without dishing out a slap. Times have changed as they have always done there was a time when men of your age thought that the ending of 13 yr olds in the Army and Navy was the thin end of the wedge for the Empire,argued against the abolition of child labour, whole haertedly supported the impisonment of Homosexual Men, and placing of young unmarried mothers in asylems forceably putting thier children up for adoption. All this done in the name of decency. just to add the Victorian era and the period just after it was proberly one of the most Imoral and suppressed periods in our history. Your inflexability will make you bitter, No one is asking you to give up your beliefs, but there is some merit in the modern ways and not all of the old values where bad. Dont attack the young try supporting the education system the people who are trying to effect change, Schools are the only place change will be effected poeple need to be taught how to Parent if positive role models don't exist at home,It may well be that things may take a few generations to turn around but one thing has become apparent It would seem that you can't push and punish a sociaty into lawfullness they need to be led and rewarded the reward being good education, work prospects,housing and governance.

Now that is a fair comment, also one of her claims was for an 88p bath plug who keeps a reciept for 88p the problem is she was ripping the arse out of a system that allowed its self to be abused and more will come out yet.