Scottish sea anglers "worth millions" part2

[Jaffa]

Sad to see Newt have to lock the original thread; been on here a few years and rarely seen him do that.

 

The parties involved (not one of which actually live in Scotland or are effected by whats being discussed) should imho take a bit of a deep breath and wonder if all the personal abuse of people with different views might just be getting in the way of thinking about the topic?

 

 

 

News Release From The Scottish Sea Angling Conservation Network (SSACN)

 

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[Jaffa]

Ian,

 

I appreciate that elasmobranches don't feature in your fishing world but how much of that is down to the depletion of the stocks. The rays, skate porgie and spurdog used to be as common on the Scottish east coast as they were on the west coast. In fact the majority of the porgie landings came from your coast.

 

The 0 porbeagle TAC has also stopped visiting nations like the faroe islanders from fishing in Scottish waters

 

Fish stocks are so low on the west coast that the 25% ray bycatch limit has stopped a targeted fishery because there simply isn't enough of anything else to make up the other 75% It doesn't go far enough IMO but it's a start

 

Elasmobranches will always be caught as bycatch but the prevention of a targeted fishery has and will continue to reduce commercial catch levels.

 

Sharp protection is a relatively new thing and there is a long way to go but hopefully the community plan of action will tighten up the loopholes and implement sustainable shark management

 

Ian, the fact that most porgies have been taken on the east coast just reinforces how this is not legislation to to good but just more legislation. The Faroese you speak about do indeed land in East coast ports from time to time (and take sheeps heads back which raises an eyebrow or two) but they are here to land not fish. Wheres your evidence for some kind of problem with the Faroese?

 

Most every porgie i saw caught on the east coast was a rare incidental bycatch; a very rare thing indeed. Easy enough for some to spin that out.

 

You maybe need to rethink your view on what a 25 % bycatch limit actually means. To someone sitting in a warm office its one thing but might be different if if you have the family home tied to its meaning Either way it aint gonna work.

 

Chris

[Guest challenge]

It was a shame Jaffa; I thoroughly enjoyed reading the thread as well.

Some very enlightening opinions.

Regards.

[barry luxton]

It was a shame Jaffa; I thoroughly enjoyed reading the thread as well.

Some very enlightening opinions.

Regards.

 

I thought Worms gave a good account.

[H.A.]

It's nice to think of the issue here as 'Scottish'.

 

You've been abroad, though, ... and it's global, I'm afraid.

 

"I'm afraid" is meant literally.

 

Extraction of fishes must be reduced .... no good talking MLSs or net mesh sizes anymore.

 

I fear we'd better set aside some very large portions of our seas for the cod, plaice, sole and 'addicks to go forth and multiply.

 

No good digging trenches over the N Sea anymore, 'cos someone's did it a few days ago.

 

I think it's time (we know!) that the legislators really understood what's happening.

 

Unfortunately the under 10s will tell you what's happening, as will I and my pals (RSAs), and the scientists seem to corroborate.

 

I'm sure Defra would appreciate any input.

 

Solutions on a postcard, please.

 

Edited August 4, 2009 by H.A.

[Jaffa]

I thought Worms gave a good account.

 

Copy and paste?

[Jaffa]

It's nice to think of the issue here as 'Scottish'.

 

You've been abroad, though, ... and it's global, I'm afraid.

 

"I'm afraid" is meant literally.

 

Extraction of fishes must be reduced .... no good talking MLSs or net mesh sizes anymore.

 

I fear we'd better set aside some very large portions of our seas for the cod, plaice, sole and 'addicks to go forth and multiply.

 

No good digging trenches over the N Sea anymore, 'cos someone's did it a few days ago.

 

I think it's time (we know!) that the legislators really understood what's happening.

 

Unfortunately the under 10s will tell you what's happening, as will I and my pals (RSAs), and the scientists seem to corroborate.

 

I'm sure Defra would appreciate any input.

 

Solutions on a postcard, please.

 

 

Hi HA,

 

Thanks for your opinion but fwiw Defra are not the people to contact on this, as they cover England and Wales. The legislators you refer to are who ? MY understanding is that it depends on the issue; some can be decided locally (eg the Scottish parliment, some at UK level, some at the EU palace). Which legislators should i make my view known to about Sea anglings contribution to the Scottish economy?

 

The "under tens" is a term i understand but was born through regulation, and imho is about to pay the price for past wooley thinking . It aint a term/class, whatever, that i imagine having a big effect on the politics of areas genuinely dependant on fishing.

 

 

Fluffy nonsense. Just mo like..

Chris

[wurzel]

It's nice to think of the issue here as 'Scottish'.

 

You've been abroad, though, ... and it's global, I'm afraid.

 

"I'm afraid" is meant literally.

 

Extraction of fishes must be reduced .... no good talking MLSs or net mesh sizes anymore.

 

I fear we'd better set aside some very large portions of our seas for the cod, plaice, sole and 'addicks to go forth and multiply.

 

No good digging trenches over the N Sea anymore, 'cos someone's did it a few days ago.

 

I think it's time (we know!) that the legislators really understood what's happening.

 

Unfortunately the under 10s will tell you what's happening, as will I and my pals (RSAs), and the scientists seem to corroborate.

 

I'm sure Defra would appreciate any input.

 

Solutions on a postcard, please.

 

 

Hello Ha

 

Have you got any creditable evidence that cod,plaice,sole and addicks would benefit from such a scheme, as yet I have seen none, nor have I seen any reason such fish are in need of such a scheme.

I've seen plenty of evidence that the management industry are in need of such schemes.

The legislators know exactly what is happening and the scientists only corroborate with them that benefits scientists.

It's my experience that Defra don't appreciate any input as it generally upsets their own agenda.

[Worms]

............the scientists only corroborate with them that benefits scientists...........

Not true. Scientists are frequently paid to prove or disprove theories within close parameters. Scientific theories don't allow for components not required in the theory (but may well be noted as potential issues by the scientists).The results thus produced are frequently 'misquoted' or incompletely quoted by the person(s) paying for the survey.

Scientific papers presenting the detail of such experiments, methods and results are rigorously peer reviewed to very high standards. And, if seen to be presented non-scientifically or with a non-scientific bias, will not be accepted.

 

The Krebs report on badgers is a perfect example of a good scientific survey horribly incompletely quoted by the Government because it didn't say exactly what the Govt. wanted it to say so they 'cherry-picked' the bits they wanted!

[H.A.]

I live at Hayling Island ....

 

I saw what the under 10s did to the plaice and codling in'87 - 90 here.

 

The fish stocks weren't the problem.

 

The destruction of the habitat was the problem.

 

25sq miles of barren sea ( The Gobi Desert)

 

... trawlers, I'm afraid.

 

Nothing I can do .... but I'm working now on MCZs ...