Angling Trust Forum

[Steve Coppolo]

Hi Steve,

 

Released by the trust, july 09 , i think they have forgot what they have said within the public domain.

 

 

http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Po...MCZ_Access.html

 

Cheers Barry.

 

One of the Angling Trust’s fundamental aims is to oppose any unwarranted restrictions on angling.

 

They need to brush up on their aiming skills, then, because they missed by several miles with the Eel byelaw.

[barry luxton]

I just had to move this bonkers post over here for all to enjoy. He is proposing for the sea angling licence to subsidise the specilist carp anglers demise of their home grown carp stock to the furry critters, allegedly. And to also put funds into the A T org that encourages restrictions on the rsa. Yes i know it's an absolute daft proposel, however.........................

 

Just noticed, this topic is starting to catch up with the have a laugh topic.

 

Re: Otter predation

Reg Phillips Today at 3:30 pm

 

 

Mark, what about this idea.....

 

Going on the assumption that we get clarification from Government that Otter predation is a problem that anglers have to deal with and that there cannot be any control over their breeding/population growth, how about this:

 

The EA increases the rod licence by one pound and at the end of the year passes all additional money raised directly to the AT. The AT puts aside 25% for a reserve fund and then allocates the remaining 75% to club waters around the country that are most effected with predators. Money raised to be used for restocking fisheries and additional fencing where permitted. The first few years will be slow going but when sea anglers are eventually forced to have a rod licence, the funds will grow further. Then, with the reserve fund, we can finance a national study into the populations and breeding patterns of Otters and other predators, helping to find other ways to control this problem.

 

This way all anglers will be united and contributing to a good cause, proving to the anti-angling brigade that we can achieve a peaceful coexistence with nature. With 3-4 million anglers contributing to the well being of our national wildlife, what a huge message that would send, if that doesn't gain respect from Natural England and Wildlife Trusts nothing

Edited February 6, 2010 by barry luxton

[Worms]

I just had to move this bonkers post over here for all to enjoy.

 

Just noticed, this topic is starting to catch up with the have a laugh topic.

I nearly posted that myself but assumed it was a joke thread as they don't have one headlined on the AT forum yet

[lutra]

I just had to move this bonkers post over here for all to enjoy. He is proposing for the sea angling licence to subsidise the specilist carp anglers demise of their home grown carp stock to the furry critters, allegedly. And to also put funds into the A T org that encourages restrictions on the rsa. Yes i know it's an absolute daft proposel, however.........................

 

Just noticed, this topic is starting to catch up with the have a laugh topic.

 

Re: Otter predation

Reg Phillips Today at 3:30 pm

 

 

Mark, what about this idea.....

 

Going on the assumption that we get clarification from Government that Otter predation is a problem that anglers have to deal with and that there cannot be any control over their breeding/population growth, how about this:

 

The EA increases the rod licence by one pound and at the end of the year passes all additional money raised directly to the AT. The AT puts aside 25% for a reserve fund and then allocates the remaining 75% to club waters around the country that are most effected with predators. Money raised to be used for restocking fisheries and additional fencing where permitted. The first few years will be slow going but when sea anglers are eventually forced to have a rod licence, the funds will grow further. Then, with the reserve fund, we can finance a national study into the populations and breeding patterns of Otters and other predators, helping to find other ways to control this problem.

 

This way all anglers will be united and contributing to a good cause, proving to the anti-angling brigade that we can achieve a peaceful coexistence with nature. With 3-4 million anglers contributing to the well being of our national wildlife, what a huge message that would send, if that doesn't gain respect from Natural England and Wildlife Trusts nothing

Or how about a rod licence being a one rod licence. That way multi rod carpers can pay for their own fences. Sorry Pikers.

[Worms]

Or how about a rod licence being a one rod licence. That way multi rod carpers can pay for their own fences. Sorry Pikers.

A good idea, game anglers do!

 

How about this odd suggestion then? People who want to fish stocked pools just pay what it costs them regardless of the price of the fish?......After all, river anglers don't demand compensation from the E, AT, Uncle Tom Cobbley etc. because a kingfisher ate a potential record barbel/chub/dace etc.......well, real ones don't

[lutra]

A good idea, game anglers do!

And some of us game anglers also pay a lot more (about 3x the price of a coarse license) for our rod license. To cover the extra work and cost involved for the EA as i understand it. If carp fishing is going to cost the EA more, maybe a new dearer carp license is needed to cover that cost.

[Worms]

And some of us game anglers also pay a lot more (about 3x the price of a coarse license) for our rod license. To cover the extra work and cost involved for the EA as i understand it. If carp fishing is going to cost the EA more, maybe a new dearer carp license is needed to cover that cost.

There we go Lutra, sorted the problem out in a few posts. Charge them £72 per single rod licence and all fencing and re-stocking issues over and done with and nobody else is affected

[barry luxton]

There we go Lutra, sorted the problem out in a few posts. Charge them £72 per single rod licence and all fencing and re-stocking issues over and done with and nobody else is affected

 

Look Worms, we know that the licence fee needs to be increased as first and foremost to consider is the wages and the blue chip pension that the E A guys boast about. Within the top five best uk performing companies i have you know, much better than the likes of B A's multi billion pound pension shortfalls. So 72 quid is a bit light. Make it a round hundred and fifty for the carpo's.

 

Next we have Wayne making a valid point over there.

 

Quote: Hi Reg

 

PS. Next door but two's cat took a handful of goldfish from my pond the other day. A dozen ultrasonic scarers, 10m2 of chicken wire, and four replacement Goldfish, comes to £152.63. A mate of mate has just completed a PhD in animal behavior, and is willing study the characteristics of the domestic tabby. A months worth of research inc. T+E will come in around the £5000 mark. Any chance of a whip round?

 

end Quote.

 

Yes it's the science cost , even for a few goldfish and quite rightly so, the science cannot be ignored. So you have to make further allowances. Might be a bit of a discount though, because next door but two's tabby is furry as well as the otter and the mink for that matter.

Edited February 7, 2010 by barry luxton

[Steve Coppolo]

I've got an even better idea. Why don't the Angling Trust go away and take all it's fans and their mad ideas with it? The people worried about membership numbers could then go and get proper jobs and the rest if us could be left in peace to fish as we've fished for generations, before career busy bodies starting wrecking our much loved sport. The many quangos that thrive on researching, managing and funding, could be disbanded and the public money saved could go towards something wothwhile, like health care or education.

 

Then anyone claiming to be an angling representative, or coach, could have their fishing tackle confiscated and sold; the money raised could go towards natural disaster funds.

 

It a real winner and almost fail safe.

[barry luxton]

One thing i can't do Steve and that is ignore them, absolute comedians in my mind, i can't describe them as anything else. This reg geezer, don't know why he hates otters so much, trying to make it a big issue, when it ain't. Trying to create a problem between anglers and the public, only in your eyes reg me old mucker. Why ain't you out on carp watch. Where are the foto's of all these ripped apart 20lb dead and dying carp then reg? Only in your mind me old son. I only seen one, might have been old age and half eaten by a fox or rats for all we know.

 

He also don't listen when i say the A T don't rep the rsa, don't know about wasting another pound on his otter crusade, i certainly wouldn't waste me twenty quid in the first place in any event. Don't you get it reg, eel take restrictions (no value), fishing restrictions at christchurch (no proof). Now it looks that we may have an rsa charter to deal with, i have no doubt the A T will see it as their platform for all sea anglers. What about the rsa sport reg, the A T don't care about that, so why should the rsa bother with support for the likes of you. The A T have washed their hands of the mcz's and ntz's, they are not up to it, why can't you get that through your thick head reg. No voice is a heck of a lot better than the A T restriction voice, no thanks, the rsa ain't broke so buggg@r off. Don't you understand that reg. You can answer that one if you like on the A T forum as i will pick it up, i promise you. Comedy of errors. Don't want you and yours, two left feet fighting for the rsa reg, the A T's already done enough damage, no thank you.

 

 

Quote reg again:

 

At least your little band of FREEEEDOMMMM fighters on the anglers net forum did a better job than you. They even copied my post on there....... Thanks.

 

Can I suggest you go back there and practice a bit more, you do not want to lose your halo do you? Whilst your over there you can tell them who we are going to have fight our corner when sea anglers end up with no voice AGAIN, just as you wish.

 

Honestly Wayne, do you not think that the future protection of our Otters, our wildlife and the sport of our fellow freshwater anglers is not worth £1 a year. If you really have no comradeship Wayne, then you have no right to represent others that do. The problem with the Otter v Angler is real and potentially very damaging to the publics views of all anglers, us included if you have forgotten..........MCZ's, NTZ's, log books, permits, C+R, EA Byelaws, Eel Ban, Mullet Ban ........... do you get the picture now!

Edited February 7, 2010 by barry luxton