BROWNING REVOLVER

[Tigger]

There are better real world fishing tools on the market at a much lower cost notably the Okumas.

The funny thing is that the current collectors market for centerpins will almost certainly pass with our generation!

 

 

I agree with you Alan but okumas have started to go a bit silly in price now and the latest models arn't up to the same quality as the older okumas ! I looked at some in a local tackle dealers recently and they actually told me that okuma had changed their supplier and the quality had gone to pot and the reels I looked at confirmed it.

I also think the pin fad will end in the not too distant future.

I like the Lythes simply for their feel and quality and they are made from top materials and to a very high standard. As for their price, I agree they seem over the top but I wouldn't spend a week making one for £400 less the price of materials.

[Alan Roe]

The short answer is history! prior to the Passion for Angling programme there was virtualy no interest in centerpins you could pick up aerials for £40 at the most and this would be a real minty one the average price was around a tenner and so called lesser pins were often given away or let go for a pound or two.

 

Benny Ashurst's comment about pins pretty much summed up the feeling of most anglers on the matter when he said "I'll have two one for each side of me barrow!"

In short nobody wanted them until along came PoA then a generation of middle aged men suddenly all became misty eyed and wanted to be like Chris Yates the effect on the pin market was damn near instant! The price of pins rocketed very quickly along with the price of cane rods which hitherto many had only considered as being fit for growing tomatoes up.

 

Old gear became unpopular for a reason Pins were dammed hard work to learn how to use and fixed spool reels meant that in the hands of the average noddy casting became easy so fishing became easier for the majority.

Lets be honest as a kid I would have killed to get my hands on an intrepid truspin rather than the horrible tin plate boys centerpins I had to use but it seemed like forever had passed before I got my first fixed spool reel. Thankfully by that time I had firmly learned the pin skills that would stand me in good stead ever since but if I had got a fixed spool reel earlier I wouldn't have bothered.

 

Because centerpins need to be learned in order to get the best out of them many will buy them because of their current fashion icon position but few will bother to put the effort in to learning how to use them properly and many will wind up in the backs of cuboards just as their predecessors did back in the late 1950'1960s and when the fad has passed their value will fall again.

 

I spend a fair amount of time teaching and demonstrating the use of the centerpin I do it as my way of putting something back into fishing and I am painfully aware that there are a large number of people out there who are not prepared to learn and it is this lack of willingness to learn that will see history repeat itself.

 

Unless there is another passion for angling moment many years hence pins will go to the back of cuboards and stay there!

[Dick Dastardly]

My introduction to the centrepin was through fishing matchs on big rivers.Just had to sit behind someone who used/could use one to see the benifit of easier presentation. That said though I can see what you are saying about the "fashion/fad" caused by PFA all though hopefully many will have surely gone past this initial attraction and realised the practical benifits.

 

No I think they are "back" to stay which in a way is a shame as the prices for second hand ones has increased madly! Be interesting to see.

[George387]

Ive been to CL's workshop as its only 20 minutes from me as last year I wanted a memorial reel as a one off to remember my parents but after looking at CL reels, handling them and the time required to build it I didnt feel it was worth the 2.5 years wait he quoted me and so opted for another make of reel with everything I wanted on it.

 

I was brought up with an old rapidex, probably the 1st proper reel after a fly reel as I was originally a fly angler and this was what was taught to me at a young age, and I have to say some of the older reels are way over the top on Fleebay but after looking at the revolver folk must be mad to pay that sort of price for a reel unless they are a collector, which lets face it most pin users are.

 

I laugh at the prices of the Marco Cortesi, I bought one when they werent so fashionable before everyone heard about them and for the money they are worth it but the okumas Tigger your right they are not the same quality as the older ones, one of the older ones came into my possesion midweek for the grand total of £55 including P&P and when I was in the tackle shop today I handled one of the newer models and the difference is unbelievable.

 

Before long as you say the pins will become unfashionable again and we can get them at sensible prices again.

[Tigger]

My introduction to the centrepin was through fishing matchs on big rivers.Just had to sit behind someone who used/could use one to see the benifit of easier presentation. That said though I can see what you are saying about the "fashion/fad" caused by PFA all though hopefully many will have surely gone past this initial attraction and realised the practical benifits.

 

No I think they are "back" to stay which in a way is a shame as the prices for second hand ones has increased madly! Be interesting to see.

 

 

I think I agree with Alan that the pin revival is gonna be relatively short lived. As he says most people get one don't master how to use it then put it in the cuboard or just sell it.

[watatoad]

I have not been fortunate enough to have used a Lythe centrepin although I have seen one. I have however used a centrepin since 1953 so as you can imagine being fanatical angler I have seen, handled, used and owned a lot of centrepins. I started out on a wooden centrepin, and I have used wood and bakelite, wood and metal, plastic, pressed metal, aluminium and various mixes. Although I think the fixed spool reel’s invention is generally credited to an American around 1820 in the 1950’s there were very few around, certainly most people I fished with used centrepins and I had to wait until about 1960 before I ever owned a fixed spool reel.

 

In Centrepin’s I currently own and use:-

 

Marco Cortesi’s,

 

ZenMaster’s,

 

True Pin Trotter’s,

 

Okuma Aventa pro’s - Okuma Sheffield’s,

 

J W Young’s – Purist's - Purist II’s, - Purist CL Lightweight’s, - John Wilson Heritage’s, - BJ’s, - BJ Lightweight’s.

 

I sold most of my old reels off a couple of years ago along with a lot of my other old tackle. Over 50 years of buying new and second-hand tackle had created an in house problem …hehehe

 

For fixed spool’s I currently own and use:-

Avanti’s - ROX2’s, - Azure GT30’s,

 

Leeda’s - 2XL Freespin 500’s.

 

Mitchell’s, - 308’s, - 300’s, - 408’s, - 410’s, - 440’s, - 440a’s, - 810’s, - 840’s, - 310 – xe’s, - 310 – xge’s, - 308 – xge’s, - Mag pro lite’s,

 

Shakespeare’s, - Mach 3 rear drag’s, - Mach 3 xt rear drag’s, - Mach 3 xt front drag’s,

 

In my opinion all reel’s come down in the end to three things –

1: The ability to do the job asked of them.

2: Personal choice.

3: Cost and affordability.

 

Unlike some on here I think that centrepins are here to stay. We have a new type of angler, one that has not existed before, one that has been created by boredom of the new commercial fisheries. Anglers who want and need more challenge, angler’s who have had enough ’Nannying’ and want, desire and are determined to find new challenges and become great or at least much better all round anglers. A new breed of specialist type hunters not always after records and specimen fish but after new challenges and experiences, new skills and a desire to be very competent all round anglers. I have a great deal of respect and appreciation for them, even when I have a rant at some, its usually because they are only coming out with part of the information others reading the forum need to know, partial information is crap you need all round information and as complete as possible if you are not to spend ages trying to get or do something right.

 

Because of this I believe that this new breed of angler does have the patience and determination to develop and master the skills needed to use a centrepin, as they regularly show. Just by watching some of them fishing and reading many of the posts and threads on Anglers Net it has become obvious to me that they are here to stay a new breed of great anglers is in the making and I am honoured that I am still alive to see them.

Edited January 4, 2011 by watatoad

[barbelbarmy]

As I would imagine I must be well up the list for my Chris Lythe by now would it help anyone if I except delivery and then if I have problems with line bedding in due to the caged spool would sell it on for what the purchase cost was as long as collected rather than using fleebay with all its fees.

 

It was going to be engraved so will need to know how much interest there is so I can stop him doing it.

 

The spec. was 41/2" diameter 1" wide, tighter ratchet for stalking, removable line guard, Scotton long Trotter with Ajp delux extra spool. Ratchet was by button but may change to rim lever anyway. I know I chose grey anodised but cant remember handle type or position.

[Tigger]

As I would imagine I must be well up the list for my Chris Lythe by now would it help anyone if I except delivery and then if I have problems with line bedding in due to the caged spool would sell it on for what the purchase cost was as long as collected rather than using fleebay with all its fees.

 

It was going to be engraved so will need to know how much interest there is so I can stop him doing it.

 

The spec. was 41/2" diameter 1" wide, tighter ratchet for stalking, removable line guard, Scotton long Trotter with Ajp delux extra spool. Ratchet was by button but may change to rim lever anyway. I know I chose grey anodised but cant remember handle type or position.

 

Just give me a shout

 

I've not had any problems with the line bedding in on my Lythe 1915 copy or any of my other reels with caged spools. I actually prefer a caged drum myself. Sometimes the line might stick in a few spots for the first trott after playing a powerfull fish but that happens on any of my solid drum reels also. Once you get that Lythe m8 you won't be parting with it but just give me a shout if you do decide to get shut....I'LL DEFFO HAVE IT, along with umpteen others including one in particular...RUSTY lol.

[George387]

I'LL DEFFO HAVE IT, along with umpteen others including one in particular...RUSTY lol.

 

I might have guessed you would be 1st in the queue Ian...Im 3rd by the looks of things after rusty...lol but should be 2nd as rusty hasnt posted his reply so 2nd looks good to me...lol

[Tigger]

I might have guessed you would be 1st in the queue Ian...Im 3rd by the looks of things after rusty...lol but should be 2nd as rusty hasnt posted his reply so 2nd looks good to me...lol

 

 

 

I don't think we should get our hopes up George, barbelbarmy will never sell it bud