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Been reading some of the explanatory memorandum document issued by defra regarding the closing of part of the bay. It's 60 pages long so i have tried to load it on here with difficulty. It gives a detailed cost of the closure to the fishermen;

 

first year minus £183,993 to £275,989 range, this is based on previous landings and also comparison with last year as it was a high year.

 

The only figure in the millions is if this (loss) was based over twenty years, so i don't know where the figures of a fishery worth two to three mill has come from.

 

Quote from defra: continued use of towed gear in the area recommended for closure is not sustainable, environmental damage is not acceptable.

 

i would mail it to anyone interested as a pdf doc, beware it is loooong.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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H.A. Member

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Quote from defra: continued use of towed gear in the area recommended for closure is not sustainable, environmental damage is not acceptable.

 

If Wurz walked ankle deep in broken, washed-up fan corals along Lyme Bay beaches and snorkeled along the dredge tracks, he'd still claim it was global warming or that nasty Mr Clover with his flippers on again .... faking the evidence as usual.

 

You'll have to take your blinkers off to gain any respect from me.

 

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If Wurz walked ankle deep in broken, washed-up fan corals along Lyme Bay beaches and snorkeled along the dredge tracks, he'd still claim it was global warming or that nasty Mr Clover with his flippers on again .... faking the evidence as usual.

 

You'll have to take your blinkers off to gain any respect from me.

 

<_<

 

My blinkers! At least I am prepared for a compromise, protect the reefs and leave the clean ground for the trawlers as was originally agreed. It's your blinkers that are the problem and like the greens your enthusiasm to stick the boot in when ever you can.

 

You still have not explained why if the dredges do all the damage in the bay you claim after 40 years of fishing there are still plenty of sea fans to be found, could it possibly be because they don't dredge every where ?

I fish to live and live to fish.

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At least I am prepared for a compromise, protect the reefs and leave the clean ground for the trawlers as was originally agreed.

 

Morning Wurzel,

 

Within the memorandum file, fig 4.1 habitat, it appears that 60% of the proposed area is mainly reef. 25% rock. that leaves a very small area of clean sand. I'm still trying to upload the document or parts of it.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Been trying to find recent history of exeters reef. Anyone?

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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If Wurz walked ankle deep in broken, washed-up fan corals along Lyme Bay beaches and snorkeled along the dredge tracks, he'd still claim it was global warming or that nasty Mr Clover with his flippers on again .... faking the evidence as usual.

 

You'll have to take your blinkers off to gain any respect from me.

 

<_<

 

Trawling in Lyme Bay has taken place for at least, many decades, the fact that fan corals are being washed up on the beach means that after all this time trawling has not wiped them out.

 

Commen sense should say close the areas where they are and allow trawling in the remaining areas.

 

The reasoning for closing the whole area beggars belief, the greens and defra make a uncomprimising awesome pair.

 

WHEN BAG LIMITS FOR ANGLERS ARE INTRODUCED you will find yourselfs in this same uncomprimising position, having the greens, commercial fishermen and defra forcing the issue. you will then, when its to late realise whats happening to trawlermen in Lyme Bay can and will happen to anglers

 

Fact is there is still alot of fan coral left in Lyme Bay, shame the Greens didnt put the same amount of effort into banning aggregate dredging that would be a laudable course of action however it would cost the Goverment aleast £100,000,000 a year and the greens would then lose their hold over the Goverment

 

It appears that it is NO longer possible to live and let live, compromise is NO longer a meaningful word

 

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It appears that it is NO longer possible to live and let live, compromise is NO longer a meaningful word

 

Quite right, Steve, despite the excellent role model exhibited by the commercial fishing sectors over the past 50 years!

 

:rolleyes:

 

Actually, was 'compromise' ever in "The Dictionary according to queen Elizabeth of Newlyn"??

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Quite right, Steve, despite the excellent role model exhibited by the commercial fishing sectors over the past 50 years!

 

:rolleyes:

 

Actually, was 'compromise' ever in "The Dictionary according to queen Elizabeth of Newlyn"??

 

 

Hi H

 

QUOTE/ excellent role model exhibited by the commercial fishing sectors over the past 50 years

 

Yes, the commercial fishing sector has kept the whole COUNTRY feed with a fresh wholesome heathy food for alot more than 50 years and what do anglers do NOTHING except MOAN about commercial fishermen.

 

QUOTE/ Actually, was 'compromise' ever in "The Dictionary according to queen Elizabeth of Newlyn"??

 

HA HA HA HA HA

 

 

Are you still digging those envirolmentary unfriendly BAIT trenches H that practice should be BANNED everywhere, or are you just burying fan coral HA HA HA HA

 

Steve

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One wonders with the amount of UK fish exported by the commercial fishing industry when compared to the number of sea anglers and the vast amount of fish that they catch, thus stimulating the need for bag limits and licenses, who exactly has been feeding the nation all these years.

 

Ryford

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