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Yes i admit i have voted for them all my working life. Now i am seriously considering opting out because of intransigence by dave dave. What should i do? B):o;)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15373005

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Be thankful that he realises the answer to your problems is not to shut the door on 40% to 50% of your free trade market?

 

Ahh, too many eggs in one basket case? :D

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Be thankful that he realises the answer to your problems is not to shut the door on 40% to 50% of your free trade market?

 

Oh I don't know, Taiwan seems to do OK without trade agreements with it's nearest continental neighbour.

 

Where would you increase your trade by 50% to compensate for the loss of that free market?

The potential loss of EU markets is a bit of a Eurocentric red herring pulled out of the hat to frighten anyone who suggests withdrawal from Europe.

The EA has now completely overgrown the old EEA but there are plenty of past examples of countries being outside the EU whilst opperating full free trade agreements with EU nations.

Switzerland of course remains neither a member of the EU nor a member of the old EEA but again manages very nicely from free trade with the EU.

 

Personally, I'm not fully decided one way or t'other. I see risks and benefits from both options.

Species caught in 2020: Barbel. European Eel. Bleak. Perch. Pike.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Oh I don't know, Taiwan seems to do OK without trade agreements with it's nearest continental neighbour.

 

 

The potential loss of EU markets is a bit of a Eurocentric red herring pulled out of the hat to frighten anyone who suggests withdrawal from Europe.

The EA has now completely overgrown the old EEA but there are plenty of past examples of countries being outside the EU whilst opperating full free trade agreements with EU nations.

Switzerland of course remains neither a member of the EU nor a member of the old EEA but again manages very nicely from free trade with the EU.

 

Personally, I'm not fully decided one way or t'other. I see risks and benefits from both options.

Unfortunately we are neither a Taiwan, nor a Switzerland.

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Yes i admit i have voted for them all my working life. Now i am seriously considering opting out because of intransigence by dave dave. What should i do? B):o;)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15373005

Listen to Dave.

The problem isn't what people don't know, it's what they know that just ain't so.
Vaut mieux ne rien dire et passer pour un con que de parler et prouver que t'en est un!
Mi, ch’fais toudis à m’mote

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Listen to Dave.

 

but but but, i don't hear anything positive. This year is a disaster for the sea anglers for example. Power over the uk charter boats and the charter boat anglers have been given away to the e u and will be controlled within the broken cfp. Thats the legislation that has failed the uk's most important fishy item, the stocks. This move has been also endorsed by the fisheries minister meak benyon. While shore anglers and private boat anglers will be controlled (horrible word) in house by defra and co. Good idea?

 

Tell me the advantage dave dave see's in that expensive move.

 

Do you think he speaks the truth when he had stated that if any more power is ceeded to the e u we will have a referendum. I note he has now added the word since his election of 'major'. That i'm afraid is his get out clause, when it come to stiching up the electorate.

 

So this is my quandary, i'm am listening, i don't like what i hear.

 

Do you think the e u's quantative easing will work or will greece's austerity riots and the likes of moody's and co downgrading collapse it first. All very well having lots of trade but when it imploades..............

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Be thankful that he realises the answer to your problems is not to shut the door on 40% to 50% of your free trade market?

 

Fully understand that bit, both europe and the uk need each other for that one. At present the uk's export market shows upward movement. common market yes, common legislation no, too complicated and expensive?

 

However it's a bit different to being controlled, governed, ruled by brussels and co, that is the bit i have difficulty with, especially when the noose appears to be getting tighter and tighter as the likes of barroso wants and requires. I didn't vote for him, he was imposed and i don't know if he is a safe pair of hands as he has one thing on his agenda and that is the eu controlling, dictating all. I don't want to see all of the uk's money being stuffed into the e u black hole to be dolled out again as the e u think fit in the form of subsidy, just like the overburdend commons agricutltural policy and also the failed cfp.

 

just say no to barroso's idea of an additional e u tax on the city of london, no, no, no. :D (think maggie said that once.)

 

What about the increase in the monies that the eu want this year and next? While every one is contracting, why?

 

The above is not being justified to the electorate, only imposed and more.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15382019

 

So its not just the Tories. All of the political parties have ordered their MPs to vote against it.

 

Maybe, just maybe, they know more than the "tabloid inspired" on the reality of leaving????? B)

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