French to increase bass MLS?

[Worms]

Nick I believe we have had this conversation before you as a scientist and often need work from them so you have to be nice we on the other hand pay the wages of these people and should start to demand something in return even if it is only to tell them to naff off and leave us alone.

Precisely my point Bob, talk to them and you get what you want, tell them to "naff off" and you'll get dumped...or shat on!

[Bob Shotter]

Precisely my point Bob, talk to them and you get what you want, tell them to "naff off" and you'll get dumped...or shat on!

 

Really Nick so how do you explain our having probably more influence re ‘Angling 2012’ than any of the steering group participants?

Edited February 5, 2012 by Bob Shotter

[Worms]

Really Nick so how do you explain our having probably more influence re ‘Angling 2012’ than any of the steering group participants?

What figures do you have Bob?

 

From figures that you posted on the RSA-UK website it seems that most anglers surveyed weren't even aware of the 2012 survey let alone your "tell them nothing" campaign!

Edited February 5, 2012 by Worms

[Bob Shotter]

What figures do you have Bob?

 

From figures that you posted on the RSA-UK website it seems that most anglers surveyed weren't even aware of the 2012 survey let alone your "tell them nothing" campaign!

 

Come on Nick, Cefas have failed to get the message out to anglers even though they have been provided the funds from us the tax payer. It is something Cefas promised to deliver and haven’t, we on the other hand have only the internet and a couple of us doing anything so are you surprised sea anglers are oblivious. The point I was making regarding the influence we are having is the consultation work between us and The minister, Cefas, DEFRA and the MMO the latter being very important as time will I sure prove, strangely some of it it is work that the PBA should have been doing for their members but we to have skippers on our books so should be looking out for their interest and that is exactly what I’m doing.

[Worms]

Well Bob, the fact that Angling 2012 survey is happening and anglers are filling in the questionnaires just shows the extent of

our having probably more influence re ‘Angling 2012’ than any of the steering group participants

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Just answering your question without deviation, hesitation or repetition.

[Bob Shotter]

Well Bob, the fact that Angling 2012 survey is happening and anglers are filling in the questionnaires just shows the extent of .

 

Just answering your question without deviation, hesitation or repetition.

 

Point taken Nick when you look at it that way.

[barry luxton]

Couldn’t agree more re the Bass this move has to come first and while I’m not holding my breath if it does happen and other adjustments are made inc the MLS then we might well see more and bigger Bass. On the down side if the CF are restricted then the effort will simply move to another species like the Turbot and Brill that brings anglers like you to the Channel Islands year on year.

 

 

No the move doesn't have to come first. How about some setting an initiative for a change as opposed to rear guard actions. Gawed, i thought the new set up of the ifca's for example was to provide some fresh thinkings, actions to better the situation for all, not more of the same style management that has proven to have no effect. Don't wait for the eu or the french to change as an rsa rep get in there.

 

Don't give us the old chestnut of moving the problem on from bass to another specis, more, weak reargaurd action, more of the same, make provision to prevent it happening, reactive management as opposed rear guard.

 

Alderney have just gone through a consultation period with regards to their fish stocks around their island and thanks to the likes of the skippers who you have sidelined, attempted to rubbish, they have acheived a great deal for both themselves and their customers, the rsa. For that they certainly needed to be applauded, you lost site of that one.

[Bob Shotter]

No the move doesn't have to come first. How about some setting an initiative for a change as opposed to rear guard actions. Gawed, i thought the new set up of the ifca's for example was to provide some fresh thinkings, actions to better the situation for all, not more of the same style management that has proven to have no effect. Don't wait for the eu or the french to change as an rsa rep get in there.

 

Don't give us the old chestnut of moving the problem on from bass to another specis, more, weak reargaurd action, more of the same, make provision to prevent it happening, reactive management as opposed rear guard.

 

Alderney have just gone through a consultation period with regards to their fish stocks around their island and thanks to the likes of the skippers who you have sidelined, attempted to rubbish, they have acheived a great deal for both themselves and their customers, the rsa. For that they certainly needed to be applauded, you lost site of that one.

 

Barry my old china have you bothered to read the stuff written by Mr Derriman that I sent you or just scanned it per usual, I ask because I don’t think you have much of an understanding of how the inshore authorities work or the restraints in which they have to perform.

 

All byelaws have to be reviewed between now and 2015 using up to data information and data. Any presentations to an IFCA has to have credibility and evidence to support any changes wanted by stakeholders, now I have put it to the authority that making a bye law or re writing it which indecently is a long process during which they cannot be changed without starting the process again. While we have to get byelaws in place where the current changes have seen for example the EA handing over areas that have no byelaws, it could be possible to make changes to a byelaw by way of an amendment, so that in the event of the appropriate evidence being put up a change can be quickly implemented.

 

There is a raft of different things to look at and if you see the new thread on the Poole Bay site where they are looking at just some topics that could come before the IFCAs then you might get a grip on how big the job is.

 

As for your skipper thing yes a couple are not happy with me but have you tried to repair the rift, nah it doesn’t suit you to do so does it? Far better to drive in the wedge but fear not I have more on side than against so your pals will need me long before I need them.

 

As for having the foresight to think about where the effort might shift to if and when any changes take place re the bass pair trawling, that is hardly rear guard action now is it?

[barry luxton]

Barry my old china have you bothered to read the stuff written by Mr Derriman that I sent you or just scanned it per usual, I ask because I don’t think you have much of an understanding of how the inshore authorities work or the restraints in which they have to perform.

 

All byelaws have to be reviewed between now and 2015 using up to data information and data. Any presentations to an IFCA has to have credibility and evidence to support any changes wanted by stakeholders, now I have put it to the authority that making a bye law or re writing it which indecently is a long process during which they cannot be changed without starting the process again. While we have to get byelaws in place where the current changes have seen for example the EA handing over areas that have no byelaws, it could be possible to make changes to a byelaw by way of an amendment, so that in the event of the appropriate evidence being put up a change can be quickly implemented.

 

There is a raft of different things to look at and if you see the new thread on the Poole Bay site where they are looking at just some topics that could come before the IFCAs then you might get a grip on how big the job is.

 

As for your skipper thing yes a couple are not happy with me but have you tried to repair the rift, nah it doesn’t suit you to do so does it? Far better to drive in the wedge but fear not I have more on side than against so your pals will need me long before I need them.

 

As for having the foresight to think about where the effort might shift to if and when any changes take place re the bass pair trawling, that is hardly rear guard action now is it?

 

In particular i considered the last paragrapth as weak and ineffective just because of the eu dictacts, whats the point of ifcas if they can't manage, you have told us they are ultimatly are in control. Have you attempted to phone and aplogise to the skipper guys then or do you wish me to on your behalf. Bass pair trawling, have you ignored Tom, he had posted on one of your sites that his area has an 'explosion' of bass, yet again you still come up with the idea of decimation by the trawlers, where is the evidence? Landing figures? Warnings? Thats without the french proposels btw.

[Bob Shotter]

In particular i considered the last paragrapth as weak and ineffective just because of the eu dictacts, whats the point of ifcas if they can't manage, you have told us they are ultimatly are in control. Have you attempted to phone and aplogise to the skipper guys then or do you wish me to on your behalf. Bass pair trawling, have you ignored Tom, he had posted on one of your sites that his area has an 'explosion' of bass, yet again you still come up with the idea of decimation by the trawlers, where is the evidence? Landing figures? Warnings? Thats without the french proposels btw.

 

Be interesting to see the size of Bass that Tom refers to, bet there ain’t many big ones in fact I’d put money on it. Bass according to the EU are an under recovery species the scientist have said time and again the bigger fish are getting fewer. If the effort on the breading stock continues the result is obvious the first thing will be an explosion of small fish followed by a stock collapse. For slow growing fish like Bass that will take very many years before it ever gets back to near normal. Out of interest how many 6lb plus fish have you caught this year and how many under that size?