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there is a theory that eels never get recaught and those who put forward the theory often base the opinion of data that big eels the ones that should be easier to identify even just from weight length and girth never seem to be caught agian

 

why they do not seem to be recaught would have been an good topic for a thread

 

not as good a theory as all the foreigners must have eaten them all

Azree

 

“Let us see rather that like Janus—or better, like Yama, the Brahmin god of death—religion has two faces, one very friendly, one very gloomy...” Arthur Schopenhaur


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I am just amazed at how those dead fish swim around and pick up another bait.     They have apparently been doing it for years.   Still they don't look to bad on it. The dead ones I have recaugh

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I raised my eyebrows at that too. I assume you mean that large eels 'don't return' as in they die after capture. But maybe you mean they don't return to the Sargasso sea? It read like the former.

 

If so, I doubt that's true.

Yes mate. You said you were not clear but then backed up with a view and that's fair enough that you disagree but it's a view . I have searched and you may still disagree with me.

I have found this . You can still disagree but it makes good reading

http://www.gofishing.co.uk/Angling-Times/Section/how-to/Coarse-fishing-advice/Fish-Species2/British-Freshwater-Fish-Species/Eel/


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I'm still not clear on which one you meant - that they die after capture, or that they don't return to breed?

And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music

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I'm still not clear on which one you meant - that they die after capture, or that they don't return to breed?

Large eels don’t return anyway it’s the smaller ones that do and they are in general caught by mistake.

 

I think the above link explains what i meant or i never would have put it up there????????

I think you look into many things that are just not there. Why?.

 

Anyway i also think many eels as in Pike die after capture so i doubt they would move either?.... :doh:


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I'm lost now, I was just trying to clarify what you meant. I still don't know, so I'll leave it.

 

A bit of a sideways thought on pike, if they often die after capture, surely it's better to take them home and eat them after catching them, than put them back.

And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music

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A predator angler who thinks most Pike die after capture and is still a predator angler, interesting.

 

Doh, said to myself I would avoid such threads. I just had to post as it's a gem of a statement to make, sorry I will go sit on the naughty step and contemplate the error of my ways.

 

But most Eels and Pike die after capture, if true I will need to rethink my position on banning C&R.

 

Sorry again, I will get my coat. Bad Dales, must learn to avoid these threads :-)

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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A predator angler who thinks most Pike die after capture and is still a predator angler, interesting.

 

Doh, said to myself I would avoid such threads. I just had to post as it's a gem of a statement to make, sorry I will go sit on the naughty step and contemplate the error of my ways.

 

But most Eels and Pike die after capture, if true I will need to rethink my position on banning C&R.

 

Sorry again, I will get my coat. Bad Dales, must learn to avoid these threads :-)

 

I shouldn't be writing this either but to say most predators die after capture makes a mockery of the repeat catches of many pike over many years.

 

I have caught a pike with an oak leaf brown mark on its flank 3 times in 4 weeks.

 

I think once again another statement on here thats a load of old b*******.

 

John

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John, There does come a point with Pike when you stop placing a bait in the same place as you know it will end up in the same fish visiting you on the bank. The problem is you cast some place else and the same fish moves and pick your bait up :-) It is very easy to tell Pike recaptures.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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John, There does come a point with Pike when you stop placing a bait in the same place as you know it will end up in the same fish visiting you on the bank. The problem is you cast some place else and the same fish moves and pick your bait up :-) It is very easy to tell Pike recaptures.

 

I am just amazed at how those dead fish swim around and pick up another bait. :roll1:

 

 

They have apparently been doing it for years.

 

Still they don't look to bad on it. The dead ones I have recaught still look good and don't smell too bad.

 

John

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All,

 

I don't want "in". Just thought I'd offer this: the natural mortality rate for Northern Pike (only slightly different than your pike) vs C&R mortality is 1:0.5. Unfortunately I am not sure what "1:0.5" means. I just have it written down. I have no numbers for American Eels.

 

Anyone would be foolish to think eels census numbers are not declining in their breeding grounds. However the exact reason is not clear.

 

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