Cameron backs Osborne over comments

[captain cojones]

Some UK nationals don't agree with seemingly unlimited immigration and an apparent reduction of our "Human rights" to protect those immigrants...ok, Govt. does it but don't blame the British for being proud of their up-bringing...the ones that work for a living at least...

"Seemingly unlimited immigration, and reductions in your human rights to give more to immigrants"........Dont believe all you read in the tabloids, .

 

EU nationals have a right to travel and work in any EU country including the UK...That is why so many British are here in Spain.....The British embassy in Madrid uses the figure of 808,000 British living here. They enjoy the same "human rights" as Spanish Nationals.....Why would they not? Their "rights" are even recognised in our constitution. Other EU nationals, (French, German etc etc have the same treatment)

 

Similarly, why would other EU nationals not expect the same "rights" as UK nationals when they travel there? It works both ways.

 

Without wishing to appear rude Worms...Maybe it is time to get yourself a passport and venture out of your village into the big wide world to see the bigger picture.

[barry luxton]

"Seemingly unlimited immigration, and reductions in your human rights to give more to immigrants"........Dont believe all you read in the tabloids, .

 

EU nationals have a right to travel and work in any EU country including the UK...That is why so many British are here in Spain.....The British embassy in Madrid uses the figure of 808,000 British living here. They enjoy the same "human rights" as Spanish Nationals.....Why would they not? Their "rights" are even recognised in our constitution. Other EU nationals, (French, German etc etc have the same treatment)

 

Similarly, why would other EU nationals not expect the same "rights" as UK nationals when they travel there? It works both ways.

 

Without wishing to appear rude Worms...Maybe it is time to get yourself a passport and venture out of your village into the big wide world to see the bigger picture.

problem with the e u socialist dream to equalise all and everything is that those eastern e u countries can now swap their metal roofed mud huts for houses, services care of anyone who's mug enough to offer free goods and chattels.

 

ohh the last para was shockingly personally sarcastically rude.

[Worms]

"Seemingly unlimited immigration, and reductions in your human rights to give more to immigrants"........Dont believe all you read in the tabloids, .

 

EU nationals have a right to travel and work in any EU country including the UK...That is why so many British are here in Spain.....The British embassy in Madrid uses the figure of 808,000 British living here. They enjoy the same "human rights" as Spanish Nationals.....Why would they not? Their "rights" are even recognised in our constitution. Other EU nationals, (French, German etc etc have the same treatment)

 

Similarly, why would other EU nationals not expect the same "rights" as UK nationals when they travel there? It works both ways.

 

Without wishing to appear rude Worms...Maybe it is time to get yourself a passport and venture out of your village into the big wide world to see the bigger picture.

Well perhaps you're happy paying your equivalent of NI and tax etc. and allowing unemployed people into Spain to claim free housing and unemployment benefits without having contributed a penny. That's your choice...as it's my choice not to like it. I've paid all of my working life yet I'm not entitled to any of the above if I have no work!

 

I have a friend, he's in his mid 30s, his wife died several years ago and left him with three young children. He rents a flat but, because he works "too many" hours and earns "too much" money, he receives practically no help from the state..that he's paid for, and his wife paid for before she died...unfortunately, childcare costs, plus all of the usual costs associated with raising three children leave him constantly either financially or emotionally broke....perhaps he should leave his job and claim all of the benefits he requires and have more time with his children...perhaps he's just doing what he was brought up to do...to have responsibility for himself, his community and his family!

 

I'm back in my "village" having traveled extensively, I've never tried to cream off other peoples' money abroad though, I've always gone there with the money I've earnt and paid tax on in this country. I've also respected their traditions and way of life...it's one of the main reasons for going abroad surely?...thanks for the reminder, my passport is due for renewal in June.

[captain cojones]

Well perhaps you're happy paying your equivalent of NI and tax etc. and allowing unemployed people into Spain to claim free housing and unemployment benefits without having contributed a penny.

We don't pay anybody in that situation. Nor give them free housing..There is no obligation to do so.

 

You have no obligation either. If you do it, it is because your politicians/authorities want to....No other reason.

[Worms]

We don't pay anybody in that situation. Nor give them free housing..There is no obligation to do so.

 

You have no obligation either. If you do it, it is because your politicians/authorities want to....No other reason.

Then now perhaps you are closer to realising why so many UK nationals are pi55ed off with it then! "New Labour" started the ball rolling...the current govt. is tightening up on it but not before time....!

[captain cojones]

Then now perhaps you are closer to realising why so many UK nationals are pi55ed off with it then! "New Labour" started the ball rolling...the current govt. is tightening up on it but not before time....!

No need to "tighten up" Worms....Just say no.

Even EU migrants have no automatic rights to benefits that you talk about.

[Worms]

I agree, and that's what the current government is doing....unfortunately it's seen as penalising everybody in the UK that doesn't work for a living....more tabloid ****s.

 

Pay your dues or shut up! (not you), I mean the ones that expect a lifestyle funded off the back of the working man/woman...and then blaming the government when they don't accede to their demands...Sod off...ask the taxpayer!!

 

And as a taxpayer I say sod off, get a job!

[chesters1]

I am confused if the benefits given are the lowest legally people can exist on and its more than some people earn i would point my finger at employers ,landlords and tax gatherers before those getting whats theirs legally.

If wages are not rising then theres no competition, if theres workers happy to work for less than basic wage there will never be any competition, how are those on benefits effecting that is it their fault theres workers willing to undercut them financially or working longer hours for the pay

Is it the under cutters have no voice so the employer can exploit them ? They certainly wont be complaining their pay is less than what is legally the lowest allowed or they work longer hours than the working time directive say they should

 

It should be remembered anyone on basic wage pays nothing into the pot other than NI but their is no cap to what they can take ,its nice on paper raising the tax allowance but it becomes problamatic the more the amount of people not paying tax ,if the gov raise the basic wage more people will come here to work for less than it and more employers will grab them

If we stop overseas workers coming here the employers will have to raise wages to attract ours or go broke ,if they go broke then they are probably up to no good anyway employee wise

 

Its all down to the increasing benefits bill ,they cant hammer the pensioners because of the grey vote ,they cannot hammer the millions of immigrants forbidden to work so they will as usual pick on the poor and sick ethnics its less hassle

 

You may say its old chesters1 going on about the immigrants again but my bro in law is going under because compedative lorry companies are using foreign drivers to under cut him ,he can find hundreds of drivers from the eu willing to work for far less than his drivers infact so desperate they will work for less than basic wage ,he has the problem of paying his drivers a fair wage (he tends to think fair is what is what he could exist on in this day and age) ,sacking them all and going foreign or going under.

Unfortunately when you have cheap labour wages go down not up and if you have to support a family or even have a mediocre life you may think the benefits system is becoming more beneficial ,you wont starve but your life wont be ruined by a boss demanding you work for less or showing you the door when you say you cannot

 

You may say but hold on these foreigners do ok ,yes they do but would anyone want to live like them ?after a few years they go home we live here for a lifetime ,ask your wife and kids to live in one room and i can assure you if you try you will not be in the their good books or in any books at all

You may say hey wait a minute these foreigners may have kids and wives ,yes they may well have but they live back home in foreign land where its cheap ours do not ,for a single guy its just possible after that its money that counts and housing ,utilities and getting to work are not cheap here

Edited April 9, 2013 by chesters1