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[Guest challenge]

Hello wurzel

 

If only that what you have said was all true? i can believe the latter about the commercials getting bitter and twisted though, bit late i know but happy new year to you wurzel cheers........

I wonder if any of the commercial fishermen who are also recreational sea anglers get bitter and twisted with them selves.

Who is going to represent them if they pay for the privilege of angling? And what will there angling representatives ask for in return for there investment? Golden mile? MLS limitations? Even more limitations on themselves as commercial fishermen?

Regards.

[Steve Coppolo]

IF a license does appear that frame work of laws will be on the backside of it and at £25 per year it will be a worth while investment. At the top will be a licensing authority and they will have to protect our rights.

 

Hi Ken

Happy new year

 

I don't think it's if, it's when we get a licence, and it could be sooner than we think if DEFRA's determination to impose bag limits through the back door are anything to go by. Ben Bradshaw has already stated that the government will get a rare early opportunity to implement measures such as a possible sea angling licence in March this year when the white paper comes out.

 

Among all the other bull in the sea angling strategy document, there is a bit about anglers having to buy third party liability insurance. So if it all gets the green light you'll have more than just a £25 licence to pay for, and with bag limits imposed, hardly any decent fish left inshore and no prospect of anything changing, sea anglers are going to have to ask themselves, is it worth it? I can see RSA numbers tumbling dramatically if these half baked ideas are implemeted and the effect on the recreational fishing industry will be devastating.

[Jim Roper]

Ben Bradshaw has already stated that the government will get a rare early opportunity to implement measures such as a possible sea angling licence in March this year when the white paper comes out.

 

Hasn't there got to be a Green Paper first?

 

Perhaps the RSA rep has told HMG that it won't be necessary.

[Steve Coppolo]

Hasn't there got to be a Green Paper first?

 

Perhaps the RSA rep has told HMG that it won't be necessary.

 

All I've seen mention of is a white paper Jim.

[barry luxton]

Hi Ken

Happy new year

 

I don't think it's if, it's when we get a licence, and it could be sooner than we think if DEFRA's determination to impose bag limits through the back door are anything to go by. Ben Bradshaw has already stated that the government will get a rare early opportunity to implement measures such as a possible sea angling licence in March this year when the white paper comes out.

 

Among all the other bull in the sea angling strategy document, there is a bit about anglers having to buy third party liability insurance. So if it all gets the green light you'll have more than just a £25 licence to pay for, and with bag limits imposed, hardly any decent fish left inshore and no prospect of anything changing, sea anglers are going to have to ask themselves, is it worth it? I can see RSA numbers tumbling dramatically if these half baked ideas are implemeted and the effect on the recreational fishing industry will be devastating.

 

 

Looks to me that our mr bradshaw and co are gearing themselves up to commence the alteration of our fishing experiance, never in the history of rsa fishing will so much dammage be done by so few. Well done mr bradshaw, how's your pension fund doing?

Edited January 21, 2007 by barry luxton

[stavey]

I wonder if any of the commercial fishermen who are also recreational sea anglers get bitter and twisted with them selves.

Who is going to represent them if they pay for the privilege of angling? And what will there angling representatives ask for in return for there investment? Golden mile? MLS limitations? Even more limitations on themselves as commercial fishermen?

Regards.

 

Hi challenge

 

If that commercial fishermen has to look at it with your mindset? then he has to make a decision as to whether he does one or the other simple as that, but if he can put his old commercial attitude to one side? and that is "everything that swims or crawls within the sea belongs to him and no one else" and is willing to work with the rsa and yes in his eyes make few compromises? then i see no reason for him not to participate in both commercial and rsa, and to have very good prospects for the future to boot, cheers.

 

Ps this as usual is only my opinion and is how i see it.

Edited January 21, 2007 by stavey

[Guest challenge]

Hi challenge

 

If that commercial fishermen has to look at it with your mindset? then he has to make a decision as to whether he does one or the other simple as that, but if he can put his old commercial attitude to one side? and that is "everything that swims or crawls within the sea belongs to him and no one else" and is willing to work with the rsa and yes in his eyes make few compromises? then i see no reason for him not to participate in both commercial and rsa, and to have very good prospects for the future to boot, cheers.

 

Ps this as usual is only my opinion and is how i see it.

Old commercial attitudes? Maybe a lot of the problems are what people define as commercial attitudes? I will never put my old commercial attitudes to one side because they had nothing to do with owning everything that swam or crawled in the sea.

My commercial attitudes of yesterday are the same as they would be today.

Make an enjoyable living today and make sure that I have a living to make tomorrow.

Commercial fishermen have to make compromises every day; there industry has been saturated with compromise for decades.

Perhaps recreational management could learn from commercial management?

The most successful charter boat skipper I have ever met told me that he puts most of his success down to his experience at catching fish and running his business that he got from when he was in the commercial sector.

I did a bit of commercial fishing the week before last, and I did a bit of recreational fishing last week. Enjoyed both as much today as I have always done and was just as successful thank you.

Regards.

[wurzel]

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Enjoyed both as much today as I have always done and was just as successful

 

Hello Challenge

 

It's that successful bit, whether rsa or commercial they don't seem to understand.

[stavey]

Old commercial attitudes? Maybe a lot of the problems are what people define as commercial attitudes? I will never put my old commercial attitudes to one side because they had nothing to do with owning everything that swam or crawled in the sea.

My commercial attitudes of yesterday are the same as they would be today.

Make an enjoyable living today and make sure that I have a living to make tomorrow.

Commercial fishermen have to make compromises every day; there industry has been saturated with compromise for decades.

Perhaps recreational management could learn from commercial management?

The most successful charter boat skipper I have ever met told me that he puts most of his success down to his experience at catching fish and running his business that he got from when he was in the commercial sector.

I did a bit of commercial fishing the week before last, and I did a bit of recreational fishing last week. Enjoyed both as much today as I have always done and was just as successful thank you.

Regards.

 

Hi challenge

 

As i see it in the future! whether you or any other person in your position like's it or not the way you operate for a living or as a hobby will change (like it has in the past when you were a commercial full time) but unlike the past your diversity options this time will be much more limited,

cheers...........

[Guest challenge]

quote

 

Enjoyed both as much today as I have always done and was just as successful

 

Hello Challenge

 

It's that successful bit, whether rsa or commercial they don't seem to understand.

Maybe there successful past experiences at angling are blurring there vision of angling in the future?

To gain any kind of success I have always made realistic goals on which to measure my success in what ever I have done.

Catch a box of fish that’s worth £60 today or catch four boxes of fish that where worth £6 a box yesterday. The four boxes that you caught yesterday may have made you think you where successful just as much as the one box would today.

Regards.