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How on earth did they manage to come up with those figures? Those figures have just got to be a load of old b*ll*cks. So RSA takes two thirds as much bass from the sea as commercial fishing does it? Like f**k! If the rest of the document is as stupid as that bit, I'm glad I haven't wasted any of my time reading it.

 

 

I am not defending the figures i can only use what is stated, the point i am making, there is no problem with the bass stock it is being fished sustainably unless defra wants to tell us otherwise, they have no figures or information to back that up. The percentage of illegal selling compared with the total catch shown is miniscule. Again based on those figures and they are the only ones to go on unless someone tells differently. There is no problem with black bass selling. Why are we being told that there is. That is more b....lks than the figures.

 

Don't start having a go at me as i can only say what i see.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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barry luxton Member

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If that 600 tons includes the French pair teams that means you lot are seriously out fishing us inshore boats.

Can't have that!

I can see some serious management coming your way.

That was just the uk figures, i discounted the eu countries other wise i would have still been reading the document today . It was the cost of the coal Wurzel, it was uneconomic.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Hi Barry

 

Thanks for that snippet of info.

 

Could I ask on which page of the report you found these stats?

I spent 4 hours reading it last night (insomnia) and missed the figures that you have quoted.

 

My interpretation, based on the compilation of papers going back to 1982 and used as a source of reference was that around 35% of bass caught by anglers were retained (in period '82 - '94 ), but that increasing awareness and participation of Catch and Release has probably reduced this level of take even further.

 

Many thanks

Steve

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Hi Barry

 

Thanks for that snippet of info.

 

Could I ask on which page of the report you found these stats?

I spent 4 hours reading it last night (insomnia) and missed the figures that you have quoted.

 

My interpretation, based on the compilation of papers going back to 1982 and used as a source of reference was that around 35% of bass caught by anglers were retained (in period '82 - '94 ), but that increasing awareness and participation of Catch and Release has probably reduced this level of take even further.

 

Many thanks

Steve

 

Hi Steve all i know is that the figures are before page 123, i will re read as i was only taking manily the uk stats. I did not show how much was released back by the rsa, more reading required unfortunatly but i think it will be worth it. That should knock a hole in Wurzels argument cheers.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Why? There is a honest try to make sea bass a recreational species. If this was an all fair business (which it is not) it is you commercials guys who should look out for 'some serious management coming'. As I understand it the commercials have moved in on recreational bass territory, not the other way round. Not many years ago bass was of minuscule interest to you. So back off/out, please.

 

 

Hello Fishingsfine

 

Recreational bass anglers have defiantly moved in to my territory.

 

Don't worry, the "need to manage brigade " have plenty in store for us, only now as requested by angling representatives you lot will be included.

 

Steve

 

On reflection, those figures are not that far out, perhaps a 100t here or there which is quite accurate for fishery managers.

 

Try thinking of 500000 anglers catching just one Kg of bass per year equals 500t.

(I wonder what the cod catch would work out at)

 

Remind me of just how many bass anglers your representatives claim to visit South England and Wales.

I fish to live and live to fish.

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Hello Fishingsfine

 

Recreational bass anglers have defiantly moved in to my territory.

I know someone who would dispute that :mellow:

 

Steve

 

On reflection, those figures are not that far out, perhaps a 100t here or there which is quite accurate for fishery managers.

 

Try thinking of 500000 anglers catching just one Kg of bass per year equals 500t.

(I wonder what the cod catch would work out at)

 

Remind me of just how many bass anglers your representatives claim to visit South England and Wales.

 

I know what you are saying Peter, and to a certain extent I agree that the fugures quoted by RSA regarding the numbers of anglers are flawed. I'm not saying that the numbers of anglers are wrong, but I think the way the figures have been worked out probably is. For example, even if half a million anglers did go fishing for bass last year, not all of them would have actually caught 1 kg. Most would have caught no bass, and only a few would have caught over a kg. Also, out of all the bass caught by anglers last year, how many were released? The thing that can't be disputed is the amount of revenue that sea angling generates. There are proper accounts and records that can be checked to verify this. But whether you can work out the number of sea anglers from those records is debatable. For example, one could assume that the average sea anglers spends £20 per trip and from that work out that there are one million sea anglers out there. But what happens if the average sea anglers spends £40 per trip? All of a sudden the number of sea anglers perceived to be out there is halved.

 

No one can come up with figures based on assumptions and treat them as gospel.

DRUNK DRIVERS WRECK LIVES.

 

Don't drink and drive.

 

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Hi Barry

 

Thanks for that snippet of info.

 

Could I ask on which page of the report you found these stats?

I spent 4 hours reading it last night (insomnia) and missed the figures that you have quoted.

 

My interpretation, based on the compilation of papers going back to 1982 and used as a source of reference was that around 35% of bass caught by anglers were retained (in period '82 - '94 ), but that increasing awareness and participation of Catch and Release has probably reduced this level of take even further.

 

Many thanks

Steve

 

Hi the information you require on bass is on pages 90-91. i think defra and co need reminding of these figures as i'm sure they will help in deciding that bass limits are not required. cheers

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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I'm not having a go at you, I'm having a go at the figures. They are nonsense.

 

 

Hi steve, i think you need to read pages 86 and 90-91 of the eu report before you discount them. The first page refers to a later post of yours regarding the value of the rsa in the uk. All they are doing is highlight work done by other people.

 

The second is refering to my post regarding the bass figures. Again these are the only ones that i believe have been posted. I have not seen any others by anyone else. I wonder where the men in suits got their information from saying that the rsa are doing the bass stocks harm so they want to offer restrictions. Or is this all pub talk that defra and co are using? Please have a look and tell me what you think. cheers

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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