Any news yet?

[Steve Coppolo]

Hi Steve, I look in on here now and again but still can not beleive the jaundaced veiws and pure venum from the arm chair critics...or should that be key board?? any way, BB was at a meeting very recently with 3 commercials, terrible people that they are, and his advisers were put to shame for giving him the wrong advice prior to and during the meeting, even to the point where he took the the pen out of the hand of the DEFRA idiot and his note book and started taking his own notes,!!!!!!!! I am sure my source will not mind me quoteing a statement made to DEFRA at the table.................." the burgelars are running the police station" ....."you have given a national resource away and have mismanaged communities livelyhoods, they never defended the statement, upon leaving the room the defra monkeys said##**@@~~~~###### why was that said? ....the truth, was the reply, I know its gone off your MLS question,.....but do not knock the chap, its the defra advisers that are looking after shrinking jobs that are to blame, perhaps you are being ever so slightly clouded in your judgements,.....and as a complete aside........come back Binatone, or was he shoved out to apease an individual with a few freinds vews???? if its a one sided debating site.....then it should show a biased warning

 

Hi Nigel

How's things?

 

It's obvious that commercial fishermen and sea anglers are going to look at things from totally different points of view, so Bradshaw is going to get two different arguments depending on who he talks to. That's where his advisers come in! Worrying isn't it? I agree with you 100% when you say it's DEFRA who run the joint. You're also right when you say they are more worried about justifying their jobs than they are about the fishery. They had it wrong about the issue you mentioned, so there's a better than average chance that they've given bad advice about the bass MLS.

 

I was going to write something about it earlier on this thread, but couldn't see the point as the decision has already been made. It's just the announcement we are waiting for now. Whatever way it goes, someone is going to be p****d off in a big way, and if he's gone for a compromise everybody loses.

Edited July 25, 2006 by Steve Coppolo

[nigel2]

Hi Nigel

How's things?

 

It's obvious that commercial fishermen and sea anglers are going to look at things from totally different points of view, so Bradshaw is going to get two different arguments depending on who he talks to. That's where his advisers come in! Worrying isn't it? I agree with you 100% when you say it's DEFRA who run the joint. You're also right when you say they are more worried about justifying their jobs than they are about the fishery. They had it wrong about the issue you mentioned, so there's a better than average chance that they've given bad advice about the bass MLS.

 

I was going to write something about it earlier on this thread, but couldn't see the point as the decision has already been made. It's just the announcement we are waiting for now. Whatever way it goes, someone is going to be p****d off in a big way, and if he's gone for a compromise everybody loses.

 

Hello Steve, for my three hapeth you try to take the middle ground, ...not easy, and for all the effort its worth.. its not, looking in as i do, its a mine feild,....... other than that....I have ten days with the family literaly on the beach in New Jersey soon, and fantastic fishing, any thing from tuna to flounder!!!

[Steve Coppolo]

.I have ten days with the family literaly on the beach in New Jersey soon, and fantastic fishing, any thing from tuna to flounder!!!

 

Have a lovely time, I'm very jealous and wish I was going too! Are you going to have a go at the stripers?

 

I'll speak to you when you get home.

[sam-cox]

I have to agree with Steve, I have very little confidence in politicians, they seem to say what they feel will apease the people asking the questions at that moment in time, only to do the complete opersite.

[nigel2]

Going back to glenk...having flicked around a few topics ...whats with the nuggest bit??? batteries?? I, as an individual, with my own veiws, saw fit to reply to a chap who posted, and my comments were to his thread/topic...........not you, perhaps I am wrong, are you a moderater? do you own the site?[thought Elton did] charge your battery ha,ha, u got a ray gun then???? your issues with B/T, are between you, get over it and move on,...... but he did have many valid points, not all, granted, but a good many, I gave up ages ago trying to make sense of the spat between you two, I do not have a clue what has happened in recent months, something grim no doubt, a rattle dropped from the pram perhaps,but go easy with your version of running this site, if somebody posts and you do not like it, you have the option of not replying, equaly, say why you do not like a post,............ sorry for coming in on the back of you topic Steve,

[glennk]

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[steve good]

After the angling summit a few weeks ago, where Bradshaw made a rare appearance, sea angling reps were told that he hoped to make an announcement about the Bass MLS before the MP's all made off for their long and expensive summer holidays on the 25th July. As far as I'm aware, nothing has been announced yet and it now seems that there won't be an announcement after all, unless anyone can tell me different.

 

If no announcement is made this must go down as yet another failure by the government. O.K, it's not as important as all their other failures, ie, NHS, crime, immigration, education, transport, was on terror, etc, but it's still a failure none the less. As a matter of fact, if he does make an announcement today or tomorrow, it's still a failure because even if he does go for a new MLS of 45cm, it will have come too late to protect the 2002 year class of bass. They have already been hammered this year, many of them before they could even reach the ridiculously small current MLS of 36cm. Which brings me onto my second moan.

 

The government employ various enforcement officers to ensure that the inshore fisheries are looked after. Whether it be through DEFRA and their new marine agency or Sea Fisheries Committees, inshore fisheries management swallows a huge amount of public money. Yet those given the responsiblity, and paid the wages, either can't or don't want to keep an eye on what's going on out there. They seem to think that any illegal activity will take place during office hours and that anything going on at weekends or during the night isn't their responsibility. Still, not to worry. SFC's, at least, are going to be modernised and improved, Bradshaw said so.

 

What a sad state of affairs.

hi steve

the word is whether it true or not bradshaw was told to slow track the mls by joe borg at the eu

 

the sfc have and will allways be a waste of space. perhaps complaining to the people that fund them may raise afew eyebrows which is the local councils.

 

regards steve

[steve good]

Hi Nigel

How's things?

 

It's obvious that commercial fishermen and sea anglers are going to look at things from totally different points of view, so Bradshaw is going to get two different arguments depending on who he talks to. That's where his advisers come in! Worrying isn't it? I agree with you 100% when you say it's DEFRA who run the joint. You're also right when you say they are more worried about justifying their jobs than they are about the fishery. They had it wrong about the issue you mentioned, so there's a better than average chance that they've given bad advice about the bass MLS.

 

I was going to write something about it earlier on this thread, but couldn't see the point as the decision has already been made. It's just the announcement we are waiting for now. Whatever way it goes, someone is going to be p****d off in a big way, and if he's gone for a compromise everybody loses.

 

hi steve

 

i think bb will come out half way so as to try to keep everybody happy

 

regards steve

[Leon Roskilly]

hi steve

 

i think bb will come out half way so as to try to keep everybody happy

 

regards steve

 

 

The point of the 45cm mls is not that it's 9cm longer than 36cm, but it is the size at which bass will have had the opportunity to spawn before being landed.

 

An increase of 4cm to give an mls of just 40cm will not really produce fish that are noticeably larger to anglers, and will still mean that the fish are being landed before spawning, so nothing of any real substance will have been achieved.

 

There is no 'half way', the mls is either above first spawning size or it is below it.

 

But whether DEFRA and Bradshaw realise that it's not simply about measurement, where 1 cm is much like any other or not, is yet to be seen.

 

But those who were looking for a real result that would have pleased anglers with larger fish, and pleased conservation-minded folk by protecting bass until they have had the chance to spawn, will certainly not be 'happy' if we still have an mls below spawning size, and an almost imperceptible difference with regards to the average size of fish being caught.

 

Nothing of any significance will have been achieved.

 

Perhaps we should have held out for 55cm in the first place.

Edited July 31, 2006 by Leon Roskilly

[Steve Coppolo]

hi steve

 

i think bb will come out half way so as to try to keep everybody happy

 

regards steve

 

Hi Steve

I can't see that a compromise will keep everybody happy. I think it will do the opposite and keep no one happy. The main gripe by the commercial sector has been that the French will continue to land 36cm bass while British fishermen won't be able to. That will hold true whether the MLS becomes 38, 40, 42 or 45cm. The difference is anything less than 45cm won't have the additional benefits as laid out by the science, ie, that most bass will have spawned before being landed at 45cm. Anything less than 45 and we won't get the sustainable fishery that we've been after.

Edited July 31, 2006 by Steve Coppolo