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I also like the the Salmo/Masterline psyclone pike crankbaits, but the winner from the Salmo range has to be the Jack jerkbait, it rarely lets me down. For a smaller Pike pattern minnow type bait I really rate the Pike Minnow from Cabelas, the've even got them on special offer at the momment. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/horizontal-item.jhtml?id=0012030116652a&navAction=jump&navCount=0&indexId=&podId=0012030&catalogCode=IE&parentId=&parentType=&ri d=&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fcatalog%2Fitem-link.jhtml.1_A&_DAV=search&hasJS=true://http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...arch&hasJS=true://http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...arch&hasJS=true://http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...arch&hasJS=true://http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...arch&hasJS=true://http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...arch&hasJS=true://http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...arch&hasJS=true

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Delia's deadbaits holding their own in the Premier League quote: Well Peter, That sounds like just the right marketing approach aimed at the tackle tart type Carp angler. Who will reluctantly reel in his boilies, so that he can cast out a deadbait for Pike when the Carp action becomes to slow...... probably due to using real tree pattern boilies Nev Fickling had better watch out.

Just need a tatty old white transit to get started. How much a pound should I pay? quote: I'll give the employment service a ring on Monday. If we informed them, that we are going to supply traditional ingredients for ethnic Eastern European dishes suitable for the newly arrived. We just might get one of those business enterprise grants to buy the van.

Peter, I have yet to utilise either deadbaiting or livebaiting methods at one of the fish-ins, or other get together. Let alone use a Carp bait in your esteemed company. However I am no longer blanking in company, having taken the day's honours at Suffolk Water Park in 02, and at Bainton in 03. At this year's Suffolk Water Park gathering, I managed to catch a Jack of around 4lbs from the casting deck of Trev's new boat. Thus christening her, before Trev had even stepped aboard or taken her afloat. I have a few aspirations, and inspirations for this coming season, so you had better watch this space. I going down to visit my parents in Pembrokeshire this coming Whitsun. There are a few really astoundingly beautiful Sea Bass marks within easy walking distance of their home. So a float ledgered or drifted Carp deadbait just might be tried instead of a more normal Sand Eel bait, alongside the lure fishing for them. Just out of interest, do you know how much salinity a Carp livebait could endure, before expiring and becoming a deadbait?

Originally posted by Gareth.: loaded with 50lb Power-Pro braid. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 50-lb line? may as well just winch them in ? Bit over kill isnt it? quote: Absolutely not. I am predominately a Pike lure angler. The 50lb Power-Pro gives me a good safety margin when fishing. It allows me to pull the hooks straight when a lure becomes snagged. I can also bully a fish in, which means that the fish will recover a lot faster making release a whole lot easier. I used to use mono of 8lb for my Sea bass fishing. Until, when fishing a rock mark, between Tenby and Saundersfoot, an Octopus grabbed a well played out Sea Bas at the point of landing. I ended up loosing the Bass, the Lure and the Octopus. For my Pike fishing I used 15lb Mono, suffering an average loss of 6 lures at £5 each per year. Since loading £25 worth of braid onto my main spinning reel, I have lost one lure of £8 value, but have recovered close to £350 worth of lures lost by other anglers. Although my favourite lure to use is a 1/2 ounce spinnerbait, I often fish lures of around the 60 and 70 gram mark. The forces generated during a cast could easily crack off a braid with a breaking strain lower than 50lbs. Remember that braid has virtually no stretch and therefore no shock absorbing qualities. Mono can stretch up to 25 % or more giving you that shock absorbing effect. The intense feeling of playing and bullying in a hard fighting Sea Bass on braid, which subsequently recovers a lot faster. More than compensates for completely playing out a fish on a mushy feeling, stretchy mono. After the Octopus incident, I am certain that many a good Sea Bass is lost to other predators on release. A totally knackered Sea Bass is going to need more than the couple minutes normally given to them to recover. The 50lb Power-Pro gives me that edge.

After trying various combinations of rods and reels from several manufacturers. The end result was a 4 piece, 10 ft Daiwa Vulcan X, rated 10-60 grams casting weight, and a Daiwa Samurai 3550, 7i reel, loaded with 50lb Power-Pro braid. I find that this is an excellent combination for both fresh water, river, drain and stillwater Pike lure fishing and for my Sea Bass beach and rock mark lure fishing. This combination is very capable of handling lures from my favourite 1/2 ounce spinnerbaits, minnow and squid shaped crankbaits, and Yo-Zuri Hydro- Squirts, through to Salmo/Toothycritter, Sliders and Warriors. Although the later are medium weight Jerkbaits normaly used for Pike, they are also exceptional lures for Sea Bass. For Sea Bass I find that virtually any natural pattern lure will work, especially those with a predominatly silver and blue colour combination. Roach, Skimmer or Mackerel patterns, being my favourites, but also includes lures from Ugly Duckling range in natural Bass and natural Tarpon patterns. If you experience difficult obtaining these lures locally, I can highly recommend the mail order service from www.lureshack.com

All joking aside for a while. I do use Carp live and deadbaits. I started using them during the Smelt shortage of 2000/2001. Tackle shops were unable to get Smelt, and demand out stripped supply. A local tackle shop took delivery of 100 packets of Carp deadbaits from 5-8 inches. However these did not sell, and languished in the freezer until July. I was then given all 100 packs. First few outings proved to be a learning curve. I had liquidised some of the rougher looking Carp deads into a paste, mixed in about the same amount of white bread crumb and blended it with fish oil. It was packed into a grip mesh feeder, and was used as the ledger for static float ledger deadbaiting. The resulting goo gave off a tremendous fish oil slick, and remained in the feeder all day. Turned out to be very economical as the liquidised Carp remained in the feeder, and I caught 7 or 8 Pike and 1 Zander that day. Second time out I decided to chop the Carp a little more coarsely, again mixed with white bread crumb and blend with fish oil. However I decided to take the Bob Nudd approach and use the Carp ground bait mix for attracting Pike into a swim on a river with a little more pace than I usually fished. Tangerine sized balls of Carp and bread crumb were frozen for use the following day. What I did not take into account was the frozen balls floating. They went for bloody miles before thawing and disintegrating. Third time out. I placed large pieces of gravel into the centre off the tangerine sized balls of minced Carp and bread crumb. These sank quickly where I wanted them to, and proved to be a valuable asset. Again I used the Bob Nudd method, balling half a dozen while setting the rods up, and I continued to bait heavily all day, results were exceptional with 9 Pike, 11 schoolie Zander and 4 Eels. When possible, I now pre-bait the day before with 10-12 of these carp and bread crumb balls. Although on the day I have now added another ingredient to the balls fished below the deadbait. To these I add a fish oil coated Alka-Saltzer tablet. When the bait ball is thawing and water eventually gets to the Alka- Saltzer. The dissolving tablet causes a lot of bubble disturbance and pieces off minced carp and fish flavoured breadcrumb rise up with bubble stream. I fish a smallish popped up deadbait approx. 24 inches above the feeder and the bubbles make the dead twitch, rise and fall. One session last Autumn using this method, the Jacks, Zander, and large Chub were competing all day for my baits. [ 08. May 2004, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: Gareth. ]

A real lively one in the liquidiser can be awkward. All that flapping about makes keeping the lid on really difficult. Personnally, just before I liquidise them, I use a golf club to despatch them. trouble is Peter, your average carp is usually a par 5 or 6.

Lubricate.

Porrige.

Hello Peter, Your comments have got me thinking............ I now know what a wondrous fish the humble Carp is Utilise unemployed trawlermen to catch and fillet the Carp.....That would take them off the dole, earning a wage, paying income tax and NI, thus supporting their local economy, and contributing to he national economy. The prime Carp fillets could become commercially available as Deadbaits, thus supporting the retail tackle and bait industry. The second cuts from the Carp, could be marketed as traditional Eastern European Fare, thus making the new immigrants from the recently expanded EU feel more welcome. The left over bits could be processed into first quality Carp fishmeal, and made available as an organic garden fertiliser and a cheap base for pet food. The low quality Carp fishmeal could then be processed into a very cheap pellet feed for the Salmon and Trout farming industry, thus reducing costs, and protecting jobs. This would have the bonus effect of relieving pressure on the Sand Eel and Smelt stocks, which are normally processed into fishmeal. Allowing them to breed, and become more prolific. The knock on from that, is that the Cormorants would then desert their temporary inland haunts, and return to their more natural coastal habitats. Oh yeah, I nearly forgot..................The left over watery Carp flavoured swill, could then be used in the manufacture of boilies, and then fed to the growing on population of Carp.

quote: Poster Member # 368 posted 28 April, 2004 10:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've since been told that digging up cairns around several noted carp water will inevitably produce some really pungeant deads! As a bonus you will often aquire a shroud in the form of a national flag that, once washed, can be used at many international sporting events. It is not only shrouds made from the National flag that can be obtained by disturbing Cairns around Carp lakes. They can also provide an excellent supply of rather lively plump maggots. The more pungent the odour emanating from the Cairn, the better the maggots. These maggots tend to attract plenty of the Pasty size Carp which make good, but sluggish livebaits.

But the large whole ones, make such a nice reassuring thud when dropped onto the freshly tilled patch of earth. I suppose you could process the Carp based fishmeal into Trout pellets. Thus ensuring a readily available source of well fed livebaits.

quote: When they get too big they are useful as Fertiliser. So for "her-Indoors" patch of hardy, and half hardy annuals. Would you recommend one or two 20lb commons/mirrors to 10 sq/metres of flower boarder. Or would you be more liberal with the fertiliser......Say a couple of 30's or 40's.