So! Was it a Myth?

[captain cojones]

thats the trouble we dont get as far as the ballot box and as for the EU itself there is no ballot box on its decisions as its leaders are unelected

 

dont you have european elections in britain?

[chesters1]

yes but thats for MEP's who "discuss" the unelected unaccountable European Commission ramblings of who's members are by law only allowed to forward the wishes of the European Commission not their countries

looks like a bunch of balshy union members

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

 

MEP's are pretty pointl;ess the power comes from unelected bodies and their wishes are final ,they appoint only those that agree with their proposals! a distinct communist type of rule making IMHO

 

they can force through any draconian laws in their system as labour has with our parliament act and theres bugger all the mp's ,euro mp's or their voters can do about it.

 

we joined nothing more than an open borders club which has changed into visions hitler had ,jest ? look at the leader a german who's party had roots in the nazi party ,no not barrosso he's the puppet ,the real leader Hans-Gert Pöttering

Edited July 1, 2009 by chesters1

[Alan Stubbs]

thats the trouble we dont get as far as the ballot box and as for the EU itself there is no ballot box on its decisions as its leaders are unelected

 

 

Dave, I know it's splitting hairs but British EU commissioners are political appointments made by people we've entrusted to make those decisions. For example - The Kinnockio windbags, Lord Mandelson of Rio, Lord Britten (only in the EU can you effectively commit a crime and get a fat pay rise).

[chesters1]

you have pointed out the very thing i am against in one line note "we" didnt elect them though "we" (or rather others) elect lesser criminals who do nothing as well.

as i said theres elected members who do nothing for us and unelected members who tell them how to do it for them

Edited July 1, 2009 by chesters1

[Alan Stubbs]

you have pointed out the very thing i am against in one line note "we" didnt elect them though "we" (or rather others) elect lesser criminals who do nothing as well.

as i said theres elected members who do nothing for us and unelected members who tell them how to do it for them

 

 

So deselect those who put them there!

[chesters1]

and substitute who? remember MEPs are nothing more than a public facade of democaracy in reality they do nothing within the higher dealings in the EU thats for the unelected bunch of crooks who really run things.

the best way to deal with them is to withdraw from europe but we cant because our polititions are afraid of europes dictators or hoping for a job with europes dictators

Edited July 1, 2009 by chesters1

[kleinboet]

Sorry about my delay in coming back. According to some posters, I have got this all wrong.

The finances have been audited but not signed off WHY??? All the organisations I have belonged to were very particular as far as finances are concerned, so why is the EU not???

You say we voted to join the EU but we didn't, as Chesters has pointed out, we joined the common market which "morphed" into the EU (just as the flu virus can "morph" into a killer virus!).

 

Again, as I said, and is continually being being swept under the carpet is the fact that The Top Brass of the EU offered the new treaty to all eu members (with the people willing or not)and said that if one country said no - the treaty was no more!!! O.K. I am in favour of that - it's called democracy!!

 

Ireland said no!!

 

So why are they talking to the Irish government, asking for them to vote again (why? they said no!!) and come up with the "right" answer

Edited July 1, 2009 by kleinboet

[Alan Stubbs]

Sorry about my delay in coming back. According to some posters, I have got this all wrong.

The finances have been audited but not signed off WHY??? All the organisations I have belonged to were very particular as far as finances are concerned, so why is the EU not???

You say we voted to join the EU but we didn't, as Chesters has pointed out, we joined the common market which "morphed" into the EU (just as the flu virus can "morph" into a killer virus!).

 

Again, as I said, and is continually being being swept under the carpet is the fact that The Top Brass of the EU offered the new treaty to all eu members (with the people willing or not)and said that if one country said no - the treaty was no more!!! O.K. I am in favour of that - it's called democracy!!

 

Ireland said no!!

 

So why are they talking to the Irish government, asking for them to vote again (why? they said no!!) and come up with the "right" answer

 

 

Yes you got it allwrong and not for the first time.

 

You said the EU accounts hadn't been audited, I showed the report from the European Court of Audit which is responsible for doing the audit. There's a world of difference between not auditing the books and not signing them off as a clear and legal statement of the accounts. You said they hadn't been audited since 1986. This was wrong, probably to try to make your usual anti-anthing EU case. I repweat, I'm not pro-EU.

 

As for not being a member of the EU, look at it as when a child is born, it goes through various life stages and evolves into a wholly different person between childhood and adult. You expect it to acquire different ideas and attitudes. It's the same as Britain...where's it's empire gone? Come to that, what about the other colonial powers from 100 - 150 yrs ago?

[Jim Roper]

As for not being a member of the EU, look at it as when a child is born, it goes through various life stages and evolves into a wholly different person between childhood and adult. You expect it to acquire different ideas and attitudes. It's the same as Britain...where's it's empire gone? Come to that, what about the other colonial powers from 100 - 150 yrs ago?

 

The fact remains that we did not vote, in the 70's, to join a political union, just a trading community.

It was Ted Heath that believed that it would become a political union, but didn't tell us.

It took the Soviets 70 years to realise that centralised decisions cause too many problems. Now the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels want to try it again, and are stearing our representatives toward it.

 

Given the chance to vote on being a member of a European political union, I would vote against it.

 

Would you?

 

Despite the references to 'mythbuster' web pages, the directives/regulations on non-standard fruit and vegetable DID exist, and that is what this thread was supposed to be about.

[Alan Stubbs]

The fact remains that we did not vote, in the 70's, to join a political union, just a trading community.

It was Ted Heath that believed that it would become a political union, but didn't tell us.

It took the Soviets 70 years to realise that centralised decisions cause too many problems. Now the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels want to try it again, and are stearing our representatives toward it.

 

Given the chance to vote on being a member of a European political union, I would vote against it.

 

Would you?

 

Despite the references to 'mythbuster' web pages, the directives/regulations on non-standard fruit and vegetable DID exist, and that is what this thread was supposed to be about.

 

 

I know Jim.

My last work 'off-topic' so to speak, was answered perfectly by you - Ted Heath thought it would become a political union. Teh trouble is, successive governments of either persuasion have gone along with the idea of increasingly closer political and economic harmony, and we've still elected one or the other. I can't find it yet, but I am sure the Treaty of Rome had within its infrastructure reference to future political integration. I'm irritated that I haven't found it, but I will have another look later.

 

I had no doubt that the fruit and veg issue did exist as I remembered the song and dance about it when it was first mooted, but am aware that they were side-stepped by the supermarkets with the descriptions as Class 1,2 etc.