In case the Eco-Flappers missed it.

[ColinW]

I'm not shouting you or anyone else down, just asking to see your data, your evidence. Surely being a sceptic you have some kind of evidence that you base your belief on?

 

OK, obviously this is a single sample but it was selected "randomly". I went on the Met office website and looked for a weather monitoring site with a long history that was way outside any city. I know RAF Valley on Anglesey is miles from anywhere so I chose that one. The data is here if you want to do your own analysis.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/sta.../valleydata.txt

I took the average temperature for each month and plotted that against the year for the period from 1930 to the present.

Here is my result.

 

 

If that data backs up the idea of man-made global warming I'll eat my hat.

[ColinW]

As it's not very scientific to produce one set of data (might be a freak result) I've picked another weather station out in the sticks and plotted their data.

 

This is for Tiree (Argyll and Bute)

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/sta...a/tireedata.txt

 

 

Equally unconvincing I think!

Edited December 10, 2009 by ColinW

[GlennB]

A glance at your 2 graphs suggest to me that those locations are getting gradually warmer. But the plots are very 'busy' and it's hard to tell.

 

But if we extract the yearly average high, average low and the mean of the two the graphs look like this :

 

 

Which is quite a lot clearer. I've long forgotten how to analyse these things statistically, though.

I forgot to edit the labels - the top line is average yearly high, the middle the mean, the lower the average low. And I mucked-up the x-axis. That's the year since 1930.

Edited December 10, 2009 by GlennB

[ColinW]

I still have data in Excel, so I tried adding linear trendlines to it. The equation of the lines are

 

Valley y = 0.0094x - 8.3102

Tiree y = 0.0054x - 1.5027

 

In other words averaged out over those 70 years the temperature in Anglesey is rising, by 0.094 degrees Celsius per decade. Tiree is rising by an even less impressive 0.054 degrees per decade.

If you look at some of the "adjusted" data the "experts" are using, they are sometimes showing rises above a degree per decade.

[Leon Roskilly]

I believe that we (mankind) are only just beginning to understand the importance of ocean ecosystems to terrestial life.

 

And these ecosystems are already undergoing significant change, both due to global warming and other impacts of mankind's activities.

 

But even if a way is found to limit the warming, we will still face the possibly greater problem of increasing ocean acidity.

 

 

 

Have a look at: http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/about_us/...009/101209.aspx

[barry luxton]

I believe that we (mankind) are only just beginning to understand the importance of ocean ecosystems to terrestial life.

 

And these ecosystems are already undergoing significant change, both due to global warming and other impacts of mankind's activities.

 

But even if a way is found to limit the warming, we will still face the possibly greater problem of increasing ocean acidity.

Haven't looked at the link in detail because straight away i note some could be or might be situations so i will have a closer look. I was listening to some proffessor on talk radio yesterday when he mentioned the middle ageas where a lot warmer than today. Also he mentioned mans involvement in global warming measured in half an inch compared the actual hight of the atmosphere. another proff was complaining that he was not allowed to go to the convention because he also had a different veiw.

Edited December 11, 2009 by barry luxton

[Elton]

I believe that we (mankind) are only just beginning to understand the importance of ocean ecosystems to terrestial life.

 

And these ecosystems are already undergoing significant change, both due to global warming and other impacts of mankind's activities.

 

But even if a way is found to limit the warming, we will still face the possibly greater problem of increasing ocean acidity.

 

 

 

Have a look at: http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/about_us/...009/101209.aspx

 

 

Sponsored by Natural England, the European Project on Ocean Acidification’s (EPOCA) guide called ‘Ocean Acidification: The Facts’ highlights the severity of an underwater time-bomb that could have massive implications for marine wildlife and the health of the marine environment.

 

So that'll be an unbiased view, then? And instead of "Sponsored by Natural England", why can't they just come out and say "Paid for by your taxes"?

[barry luxton]

Don't know if the eco-flappers have missed the warnings as well as brown, next week is going to be a bit cool. Wondering if brown has forgotten his coat on his return from giving yet more of our money that we don't have just because eu yes scientists are saying it might be a bit warm. He might well be freezing something that brass monkeys have missing.

 

Still par for the course with brown, every thing he touches comes up brown, he's just unlucky on our behalf.

 

 

http://news.aol.co.uk/environment-news/wea...211054818002429

 

 

Foto of what brown's returning plane could be like next week following his success in his warming campaign.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2009 by barry luxton

[barry luxton]

Alternative veiwpoint to be argued against, anyone?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhage...-radiation.html

[Vagabond]

So there was a flood in 1824 and this proves that there is no such thing as climate change?

 

Hmmmm

 

You may have to run that one by me again, like how all floods are caused by carbon emissions

Just returned from a fortnight in the bush/ and fishing the Murray River

 

I would expect better of you Sportie, than to try to score debating points without reading the post properly.

 

I was making the point (using just ONE example as illustration, not proof) that the ecoworriers attribute the recent (ie within the last 20 or so years) Brisbane flood (and dozens of incidents like it) to climate change caused by man-made carbon emissions, whereas they fail to account for the 1824 flood (and THOUSANDS like it) which occured before man started burning coal and hydrocarbons on a large scale.

 

If you had read ALL the post you would have seen I stated that far from "there being no such thing", (your words) climate change has been occuring for thousands of millions of years - ie since Earth first formed.

 

I will put that even more simply. CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT NEW - nor are anomalous weather events.

 

What is new is putting the blame for climate change on man-made emissions. A previous generation blamed radio waves

Edited December 15, 2009 by Vagabond