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Regarding the link, what one person has his head screwed on in the right place? And who are the other two who are just screwed. :D

 

 

 

Re: Compulsory Membership of the AT

Steve Coppolo Today at 3:41 pm

 

 

Richard Watson wrote:

Steve Copollo, as regards compulsory membership, I suspect that most of us reading this are old enough to have a vote in a national election. The fact that you use that vote and the party you ended up voting for has a minority in parliament and therefore has no say in Government is just an unfortunate fact of life.

 

It doesn't make the Government and the laws it makes useless. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't support the laws that exist or are brought in nor does it let you avoid paying taxes. (Wish it would!!). The country still has to governed and that has to be paid for whether you agree with the party in control or not. You just have to live with it for 4 years and then you get another chance to vote. Normally by then whichever party have been in control for the last 4 years have made such a mess of things of things the country votes for the other lot! It is called democracy.

 

As regards the other mega posts, it will take some time to digest before I comment.

 

I know what you're saying, but hang on a minute. We are not talking about ruling and governing a country here, we are talking about fishing! Fishing doesn't have to be governed! Nor should it be.

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Re: Compulsory Membership of the AT

Richard Watson Today at 4:20 pm

 

 

There is the crux of the matter. Whether you or I like it or not the Government of this country thinks that it does.

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Re: Compulsory Membership of the AT

John Hepworth Today at 5:07 pm

 

 

Steve C, At the risk of being rude, get over the fact that the Government has decided that the Angling Trust be described as 'The Governing Body' for the sport of angling. The choice is simple, you either support the Angling Trust or don't. You can make more headway from within rather than standing outside alone in the cold.

Call it what you will, Governing/Representative, the AT is probably our last best chance, at least in my lifetime

 

Or is 'Utopia' the word your looking for.

 

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Well, I have read Keith's little gem in the latest AT and I too am very confused with what he has written. It's under the title 'We don't need this rubbish!'. Keith is way off the mark as far as the article that Steve wrote for me is concerned.

I think the biggest joke in Keith's piece is the dig at Boat Fishing Monthly magazine not 'doing its job' and the implication that I don't check my facts as an editor. Yet again Keith is totally wrong. As Steve has mentioned previously on this thread, all the 'facts' in the article came from the AT themselves - work that one out?

As far as charter boats catching 200 cod, again I'm afraid Keith dropped another clanger there. I know a handful of boats that have come very close to that number on many occasions over the past two years in the Channel. Like your respected UK charter skipper source said - most anglers tend to move off the fish when they've caught enough, but I'm afraid there are still crews that want to fill their freezers up. It's not that hard to catch 20 cod per man with 10 lads on the boat at some specific marks in the Channel mid summer these days - I've been there and done it myself two years on the trot. However, I prefer to catch half a dozen then sit back and take pictures as the rest of the crew fish on.

Fishing News were factually correct when they said some boats have caught 200 cod in the 6-8lb range in the past. In fact this year the average size was much larger than that, but the numbers were the same. It's nothing to be proud of in this day and age, but it does still go on and you're talking less than one tenth of a percent of all the charter trips that take place each year.

I hope you read this Keith. You're being fed 'duff info' mate. Do you actually read Steve's aricles? Or do you make assuptions on what somebody else tells you he's written? I would suggest the latter.

In my opinion your latest column was just a cheap shot at myself and Boat Fishing Monthly magazine.

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This paper the angling times, never read it, is it predominantly freshwater issues, news? Trying to see where this ambassador is coming from. :)

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Wondering who has the head in the sand? Might well be shocking, but who is nearer the truth. No apology for moving this over here, as i consider there is more scope for more people to know what is being discussed..

 

 

Re: Angling Trust and the Licence Fee?

Richard Crimp Today at 10:29 pm

 

 

Steve Coppolo wrote:

If what I've been reading and hearing recently is anything to go by, I could see angling hanging itself given enough rope.

 

If the Angling Trust were given carte blanche to do whatever it, (or, more likely, a few few vocal supporters), felt was necessary for the 'good' of angling, we would probably see campaigns to kill Otters, kill Cormorants, ban canoists, ban cyclists, ban boaters, ban farmers, ban commercial fishermen, ban Eastern Europeans, stock more carp, build more commercial fisheries, spend more cash on match prizes, call for more restrcitions on all anglers, make sea anglers licenced, subject sea anglers to bag limits and no take, ask for more marine protected areas, etc, etc, etc,. The damage that could be done to angling does, quite literally, frighten me.

 

 

Richard wrote:

 

Shocking Steve, that which you've written, you really have no faith in your fellow anglers seemingly?

 

Back on topic, pros and cons please ladies and gentlemen, your thoughts are to be encouraged!

 

 

 

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Should the A T do the right thing and dissassociate themselves from the rsa?

 

Quite clearly they have demonstrated all they can offer is restriction. Should they do the right thing and not collect this years monies from the descenters and should they not collect monies from future rsa as there is nothing to offer in expertise in dealing with the threat to recreational angling from this government and thier sidekicks.

 

They may well have had a hand in at christchurch, if not they could have and advised against restriction on the rsa without proof.

 

47. Thats an impending unnecerssary paperwork shuffling nightmare, that is being imposed. Any advise from the A T, silence is all i can hear.

 

Freshwater fish removal ban including the failed rushed consultation. The A T can only offer restrictions to the rsa.

 

MCZ's already the A T havs said that they have nothing to offer apart from speaking to ngo's who ARE looking for restrictions. This is going to be a huge intrusion on the rsa, yet all i hear silence and tranquility.

 

Quite clear on the A T forum, there is discord between the A T and the rsa. Make your own minds up, but that's what it looks like to me.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Yeah, click it and be VERY afraid! :o

 

“The Marine Bill could be a significant step forward for fish conservation, but only if anglers make their voices heard,” claimed John LeBalleur of the Bass Anglers’ Sportfishing Society.

 

I've been to a couple of meetings lately and have a feeling that anglers are starting to make their voices heard, and it's just the tip of the iceberg. Trouble is, some people don't like what we're saying and will keep pushing their own agendas, so it's time to push back.

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Yeah, click it and be VERY afraid! :o

As a few of you will know( B) ) when the initial proposas were brought to the public attention I thought that they were potentially a good idea for conservation, limiting damaging commercial activities (not just fishing) and angling. Consultations to get views I still believe in.

 

Unfortunately, recent events have shown the dark side of consultation, or more accurately the dark side of officialdom that slides biased consultation papers under the door mat of a few people whilst waving it in the faces of those who won't be affected by damaging legislation.

 

Free and open consultation yes, being pressed to use the MCS site to register anglers' views is not a good idea. Getting involved with other sea users is a good idea, if only to "offset" any malicious rumours and, to understand other users' views.

 

Lobbying of Govt. and other bodies that have the power to shift goalposts is the only choice at the moment. Unfortunately anglers don't have the support of a unified angling body we just have a few thousand "specialists" eager to covert their piece of pie. Anglers are going to have to get together and make a lot of noise. I wonder what the S&TA's views on the subject are?

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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YES BE VERY AWARE

 

If as a rsa you do as recommended and go through the MCS site, it is guiding you towards the majority of their proposels to be complete NTZ'S This is what the likes of the Angling Trust are not telling you.

 

 

The one that gets right up my nose is asking for a complete ban at berry head, brixham, they even say there are trawlers operating near there. I agree with that it's a fishing port for gawds sake. There is no evidence of anglers causing problems in any event, apart from litter that is, yet they want you and the likes of my ten year old boy who caught his very first fish from the shore there banned. That is what these fishy so called reps are recommending that you do.

 

Or is this what you want, NTZ's

 

have a look, that is what the mcs are trying to ban, from the very spot. Any of the greenies looking, understanding or really care?

 

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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