IFCAs are a'coming

[Steve Coppolo]

Maybe I should of added at the end of my thread “anglers who don’t want representing” the powers that be aren’t going to listen to them, how can they?

 

I would imagine that if they knew the threats they face, and the majority don't, most anglers would want to be represented. The trouble is, even those who do know the threats and realise the need for representation, have no where to go. The Angling Trust have let us all down, just the same as the NFSA and SACN and, to a certain degreee, BASS, before them. What they offer isn't fair representation, it's the promotion of minority groups' agendas.

 

Going back to how many anglers know what's happening to their sport. There is going to be one hell of a sh*t storm when they all find out. How shocked the decision makers will be when they discover what they've been told anglers will accept, is nothing but fiction. And how stupid our misrepresentative bodies will look.

Edited February 26, 2010 by Steve Coppolo

[barry luxton]

So I am taken it from that answer that you have already given up? The marine and coastal access bill has had cross party support more or less from the start. I Know that there were quite a few amendments in the latter stages but that is only to be expected with such a large piece of new legislation.

So you can take the politics out of the conversation comrade as I didn’t mean to introduce it in the first place.

Hope you keep living for a lot of years yet, 30 miles off on your feet Barry or anywhere else come to that.

Regards.

 

Ahh yes, please remind me of the benifits of this huge chunk of new (nesseccesary?) legislation rules, regs etc. That the ratepayers have shelled out on. Only the benifits mind.

[Guest challenge]

Ahh yes, please remind me of the benifits of this huge chunk of new (nesseccesary?) legislation rules, regs etc. That the ratepayers have shelled out on. Only the benifits mind.

Hi Barry.

Only time will tell I suppose, like the thread say’s IFFCA, s are coming. There not here yet so I cannot comment. As I said before there is the opportunity there for RSA, s to comment and try and be apart of this new legislation regardless as to weather they want it or not.

Regards.

[cleeclive]

Hi Barry.

Only time will tell I suppose, like the thread say’s IFFCA, s are coming. There not here yet so I cannot comment. As I said before there is the opportunity there for RSA, s to comment and try and be apart of this new legislation regardless as to weather they want it or not.

Regards.

 

There is an aspect to all this that I guess Challenge will not wish me to raise. I assume that the IFCAs are going to be funded in the same way as SFCs. This is through a precept paid by the coastal authorities that make up the IFCA district. This is a lump of money taken from local rate payers and passed over as a precept by the local Authorities. This is not something that local councils shout very loudly about to the general public for obvious reasons.

 

I just wonder after the election when Councils start cutting front line services and close Libraries etc, which is going to happen as the government starts to get to grips with our national debt,what the general public will feel about financinf fisheries officers to run around chasing anglers and worm diggers etc.

Will the ratepayer see this as a key priority when their local library has shut or the bin collection been reduced.

 

There is plenty of scope to stir the muudy waters yet guys

 

The time will come very soon to turn public opinion against all this un-necessary management.

[wurzel]

The time will come very soon to turn public opinion against all this un-necessary management.

 

 

Up the revolution

[stevieg]

The time will come very soon to turn public opinion against all this un-necessary management.

 

Lets hope that it comes soon enough Clive, before we are all managed into oblivion......

[Guest challenge]

There is an aspect to all this that I guess Challenge will not wish me to raise. I assume that the IFCAs are going to be funded in the same way as SFCs. This is through a precept paid by the coastal authorities that make up the IFCA district. This is a lump of money taken from local rate payers and passed over as a precept by the local Authorities. This is not something that local councils shout very loudly about to the general public for obvious reasons.

 

I just wonder after the election when Councils start cutting front line services and close Libraries etc, which is going to happen as the government starts to get to grips with our national debt,what the general public will feel about financinf fisheries officers to run around chasing anglers and worm diggers etc.

Will the ratepayer see this as a key priority when their local library has shut or the bin collection been reduced.

 

There is plenty of scope to stir the muudy waters yet guys

 

The time will come very soon to turn public opinion against all this un-necessary management.

As you well know Clive I cannot comment about committee comments. But I can advise you to go and read minutes from the last meetings before you start your revolution.

Regards.

[cleeclive]

As you well know Clive I cannot comment about committee comments. But I can advise you to go and read minutes from the last meetings before you start your revolution.

Regards.

Doubt I have got the energy to start a revolution any more Challenge, might just lob a few sticks of dynamite around though and wait to see what happens. I will read your minutes though., can I get them off the website?

 

Cheers

 

Clive

[Brian Carragher]

There is an aspect to all this that I guess Challenge will not wish me to raise. I assume that the IFCAs are going to be funded in the same way as SFCs. This is through a precept paid by the coastal authorities that make up the IFCA district. This is a lump of money taken from local rate payers and passed over as a precept by the local Authorities. This is not something that local councils shout very loudly about to the general public for obvious reasons.

 

I just wonder after the election when Councils start cutting front line services and close Libraries etc, which is going to happen as the government starts to get to grips with our national debt,what the general public will feel about financinf fisheries officers to run around chasing anglers and worm diggers etc.

Will the ratepayer see this as a key priority when their local library has shut or the bin collection been reduced.

 

There is plenty of scope to stir the muudy waters yet guys

 

The time will come very soon to turn public opinion against all this un-necessary management.

 

Not quite sure why you think that local authorities try to suppress the funding arrangements as its always been in the oublic domain in their officially audited accounts as certified by the Audit Commission and fully published under each committies own detailed budgets

 

The formulea for funding is based on shoreline within the authority and multiplied by its population densities, in the case of the former Cleveland County we paid a sum equal to the combined levy's of Redcar and Cleveland and Hartlepool councils

 

Fundind arranfements remain in place for the new IFCA's thats why they are allowed to nominate members to any recieving body to make sure that ratepayers money is well spent and to make sure that extra monies or leveys are not eroneously applied to the funding councils

 

In respect of funding levy's its no different in principle to funding other levy's from Police or Fire services that rate payers have no or little control over

[cleeclive]

Not quite sure why you think that local authorities try to suppress the funding arrangements as its always been in the oublic domain in their officially audited accounts as certified by the Audit Commission and fully published under each committies own detailed budgets

 

The formulea for funding is based on shoreline within the authority and multiplied by its population densities, in the case of the former Cleveland County we paid a sum equal to the combined levy's of Redcar and Cleveland and Hartlepool councils

 

Fundind arranfements remain in place for the new IFCA's thats why they are allowed to nominate members to any recieving body to make sure that ratepayers money is well spent and to make sure that extra monies or leveys are not eroneously applied to the funding councils

 

In respect of funding levy's its no different in principle to funding other levy's from Police or Fire services that rate payers have no or little control over

Fair comment, but the public on the whole are not fully aware on this one and would have to go looking for it. I guess they would not see managing anglers and everything that happens out to six miles ,as such a big priority as the police or fire service!! I am also fully aware that they have no real control over this, as with so many things in this nanny state of ours.As the EU takes more and more control of our lives we become more and more like Germany where regulation is the essential feature of everyones lives. As I have never been given the opportunity to vote on this issue by any government I totally despise what the EU stands for and howour politicians are so keen to signup to every treaty put before them.

 

In a country that is essentially bankrupt, and still spending millions more on a daily basis than its tax revenues bring in, the mind bolggles as to how this is all supposed to work. Anyway looking at the size of the new committees plenty will be on the expenses gravy train attending meetings to talk about how to manage all our activities. I have done my time on NESFC and had plenty of reservations about its worth 10 years ago let alone with expanding responsibilities. I am not saying that there is no need for management of the coastal zone, but there is no need to perpetually increase the scope and beaurocracy of that management at the taxpayers expense. However this whole environmental gravy train is about creating jobs and quangos, which in my opinion will achieve little in the long term.

 

It amuses me when reading all the various reports on fisheries and coastal zone management just how many quangos have appeared I will soon need to do a PhD in Fisheries Committee ACRONYMS to have any idea what is going on, and the poor British tax payer is financing all this nonsense