Moving Specimen fish

[Liamsm]

Must admit that I have not WTNBOK, ( what is your name?)

I guess that I have just taken the word of the carp angler in question, for the reasons.

I have assumed that he is a general representative of carp specimen hunters and therefore made this post in an attempt to understand the situation.

.........Liam

[phil hackett]

Liamsm:

Hi All,

While fishing a local club lake with my son, I met a carp angler that labelled  himself as a big  specimen man (was a nice chap). Apparently he was only fishing this lake to test a new bait.

He  told me that two carp of over 30lb had been removed from the lake, to put in another lake, that was especially for the specimen hunters in the club.

To me!,  what he was telling me seemed like a contradiction in terms? and I found myself feeling glad that I did not hunt my specimens in a lake (prefering rivers).

Is this exeptable to all carp anglers?. Or indeed with any club members?.

I am afraid that if I hunted for big carp, I would be up in arms with my fishing club over this practice.

........Liam.

Did the Club get a section 30 to move these Carp?

If not they are as club in great dodo!

Perhaps you ask the queation of them?

[phonebush]

Specimen Carp (over 30 lbs) are successfully moved into various venues called "paylakes" by the ton using large trucks here in the US. I sometime think carp anglers in the UK tend to under estimate the survivability of the species.

Phone

For a definition of "paylake" ask Newt.

[Alan Fawcett]

Thats easy mate

 

Paylake US term for Day ticket water.

 

Me i'd be happy if the 30lbers were moved to another water, less boilie bags, beer cans & other assorted junk on the water i want to fish.

 

I must stress not ALL carpers are the same but most of them are quite happy to leave a weeks household rubbish in the swim when they pack away their bivvies & finally go home.

 

Never could understand how they don't mind carrying it when its full & therefore heavier but won't carry it when its empty ??? :confused:

[Chris Plumb]

Liam - please read your private messages!!!(click on my profile!)

 

Chris

[Gaffer]

Liamsm:

Any modern carp anglers out there want to add their views?.

......Liam.

Ok, here goes... if your club has two lakes, one being a 'Match' lake and another being a 'Specimen' lake.....

 

...and if the members of your club have ok'd it (within the rules of your club)....

 

...and if the club sought a section 30 before moving them (that's if a sec 30 is needed!)...

 

I'd say that, that was a pretty normal practice.

 

Why risk the health of specimen fish with the match/pleasure anglers on that particular lake not using suitable tackle for 30lbers?

 

I hate it when I do the rounds on my local lake and ask an 'angler' if he's had anything, only to here the reply "naah mate, but I have been 'smashed up' a few times by a 'pond pig'"!!.....I have to bite my tongue before I'd do something silly! :mad: (Note: 'Smashed up' and 'Pond pig' aren't terms used by most carp anglers as a whole! )

 

I don't think anyone in their right mind (although I sometimes wonder!) would want to loose light tackle to a fish of any size. It would also be unreasonable to ask all anglers, including match/pleasure anglers, to use a minimum of 10lb line, to have a landing net of at least 36ins and an unhooking mat, would it not? (Don't forget, a 30lber is roughly 3ft in length!)

 

Liam, did this carp angler say that the resident carp anglers were responsible for the movement of the Carp or was it the 'club' that moved them?

What do the club rules state regarding the movement of fish?

These questions need answering before ALL carp anglers are held responsible for the movement of these carp!!

 

[ 29. September 2002, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Gaffer ]

[phonebush]

Alan,

Well a paylake is sort of a day ticket lake I think. I have not fished either. The difference being the object of a paylake is to win money from others in competition. Sort of a day ticket/match fishing combo. Gambling and prize money is the first priority of a paylake and can be quite expensive for the losers. Paylakes are in the Southwest US as angling venues where you can "put your money where your mouth is" sort of fishing against others who claim expertise. Rather large sums change hands daily.

The fish in both, I hope, are treated with respect and care by the anglers and fish owners. This type fishing is popular only in a small part of the US.

Phone

BTW Permits are required to move these fish.

[Peter Waller]

There is a totally acceptable logic in putting the bigger fish in a lake where people will be suitably able to cope with them.

 

However, knowing that there are 23 twenty pounders in a lake, plus 4 thirties and 7 forties and one 60 called Marrigold, and nothing else, does, somehow, destroy much of the magic of angling for me. Bit like going tiger hunting in Colchester Zoo.

[davidP]

First thing to say is take any rumour you hear with a pinch of salt unless you see it for yourself or hear it direct from a club official. Angling rumours have a life of their own - we once trapped 6 small carp (around 12oz) from a prolific club water for EA testing and within 5 days we had received over 20 phone calls reporting that the entire lake had been netted and ALL the carp removed. We even had people who claimed to have seen it!

Fish do get moved however - it's quite amazing how carp and especially catfish manage to transport themselves between waters. Barbel also manage to swim miles cross-country to find lakes that they prefer to live in

 

Seriously though, it does make financial sense these days for clubs with more than 1 water to try and manage them into specialist waters. You really do need a bagging water for the 'casual' angler, match anglers and for day ticket revenue, and a specialist water for the long stay specimen hunters. Sadly if you don't do this you just get friction between the groups as they really don't mix too well. There have been plenty of posts covering the problems that occur, and believe me, as a club official you really have your eyes opened at the blinkered, self-centered, intolerant attitude of many concerned, particularly I'm afraid to say in my experience from the specimen hunters and match anglers who often regard anybody else as with contempt!

Ideally though you have enough venues to let you do this and maintain a couple of mixed fisheries for those that fall between these groupings - 'traditional' all-round club anglers for want of a better name, although they seem to be getting thinner on the ground these days.

[Liamsm]

Thanks every one, I understand why it is done now, I think that Peter's post, best reflects my own view.

.......Liam

 

[ 29. September 2002, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: Liamsm ]