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Am I the only one who dislikes having folks drop in, post asking for help, and then vanish?

 

The cause may or may not be a good one but the overall feeling I get is spam.

" My choices in life were either to be a piano player in a whore house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference!" - Harry Truman, 33rd US President

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Hi All,

 

My colleague Trevor Harrop, and I co front the Avon Roach Project in Hampshire, which aims to reinstate a self-sustaining population of roach to the Avon and attempt to halt the decline that has persisted over the last three decades.

 

As an accompaniment to this we have been compelled to help form a coalition of interested parties in a cohesive drive to do something about the biggest threat to our roach and indeed all other inland fish species, a foreign invasive species of cormorant from mainland Europe, (carbo sinensis) whose numbers now stand at some 23,000 wintering individuals.

 

In January 2011 Defra announced a forthcoming review of the cormorant licensing system. So we are pleading for your help in lobbying, environment Minister, Richard Benyon to have carbo sinensis placed on the General licence, thus providing river keepers and fishery owners, with an effective way of protecting their assets.

 

You can help us by signing our on-line petition at http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/cormor...-in-danger.html or by visiting us at Avon Roach Project and following the cormorant link.

 

United, we can force change, divided we don't have much hope, so please help.

 

Thank You

What an interesting project!

 

I do have a couple of questions though....which native species is this "foreign alien species" out-competing to justify the title?

 

How will identification of Phalacrocorax carbo sinensis be easily made so that individuals of Phalacrocorax carbo carbo are not accidentallly killed? As experts in these birds, you and your colleagues must realise the potential legal risks (heavy fines and potential jail terms) if the wrong sub-species is shot under a general licence?

 

Could you possibly let me have the identifying characteristics for separating these two birds at 30-40 yards whilst flying? It would make field work so much easier. To date, the top ornithologists in the country can only make a definitive ID with the bird in the hand! This could prove really useful information.

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Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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Am I the only one who dislikes having folks drop in, post asking for help, and then vanish?

 

The cause may or may not be a good one but the overall feeling I get is spam.

 

Just like the common eel take ban where the guy came on here pleading for the anglers not to use eel as bait, return all as every one counts.

 

Questions our negative stance for not supporting him.

 

Result, got stitched up, plenty of eels, after they relyed on dubious counts,

 

Then the guy dissapeared from here never to be seen again, remember his name well.

 

Blokes like that aught to be shot. Can we have a vote to get A N rules upgraded to sort out these selfish one topic spammers. :D

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Just like the common eel take ban where the guy came on here pleading for the anglers not to use eel as bait, return all as every one counts.

 

Questions our negative stance for not supporting him.

 

Result, got stitched up, plenty of eels, after they relyed on dubious counts,

 

Then the guy dissapeared from here never to be seen again, remember his name well.

 

Blokes like that aught to be shot. Can we have a vote to get A N rules upgraded to sort out these selfish one topic spammers. :D

I'll second that Barry

Making the most of it

 

Chi dorme non piglia pesci

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As I said earlier, I won't sign the petition for the reasons I gave, but the guys do great work on the Avon roach project, so I won't knock them on anything other than their latest misguided appeal.

 

They have posted it on most of the popular angling forums.

 

John.

Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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What an interesting project!

 

I do have a couple of questions though....which native species is this "foreign alien species" out-competing to justify the title?

 

How will identification of Phalacrocorax carbo sinensis be easily made so that individuals of Phalacrocorax carbo carbo are not accidentallly killed? As experts in these birds, you and your colleagues must realise the potential legal risks (heavy fines and potential jail terms) if the wrong sub-species is shot under a general licence?

 

Could you possibly let me have the identifying characteristics for separating these two birds at 30-40 yards whilst flying? It would make field work so much easier. To date, the top ornithologists in the country can only make a definitive ID with the bird in the hand! This could prove really useful information.

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The alien invasive species carbo sinensis is upsetting the precariously fragile, but stable balanced eco system of fish in the river, and everything that co-exists with this vital link in the food chain; species such as our native kingfisher, great crested grebe, heron, otters (love 'em or hate 'em), and everything that survives on a healthy influx of fry each spring, and an ongoing healthy population of fish in our waters.

 

Just as Himalayan Balsam will obliterate every other plant that exists on the river bank, the cormorant carbo sinensis is absolutely and completely indiscriminate.

 

Carbo carbo prefers salt water. Carbo sinensis prefers fresh water and habitually migrates inland to feed and breed.

 

A few carbo carbo will follow, but will usually stick with their instinct to stay where they want, which is nesting on cliffs and rocks and hunting mackerel and sand eels from the sea.

 

Carbo sinensis started colonising inland UK in the 80’s and has exploded since then, as they have across Europe. The increasing numbers of inland birds is a direct result of the population of carbo sinensis growing, by feeding and breeding inland. They are extremely adept predators, and our own document refers to them hunting in rivers and chalk streams as being like a tiger hunting sheep in a barn. They are silver fish hunters unmatched in nature.

 

The population of carbo carbo remains as it always was on our coasts.

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Was that nearly a reply?

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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Was that nearly a reply?

 

Maybe he thought he could tell the difference and then decided maybe not. Who could :unsure:

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Maybe he thought he could tell the difference and then decided maybe not. Who could :unsure:

Ah, judging by the time differences I guess a moderated post!

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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