Carp to be removed ?

[Tony U]

Rudd

I don't have a problem with carp in the rivers I just worry about where some of them have come from; as we do not want a disease wiping out indigenous fish stocks.

 

[ 01. April 2005, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Tony U ]

[ayjay]

Stewart_Bloor:

 check that it wasn't an article printed today, if you know what I mean.                  

I was starting to worry about you lot; Stewart you've restored my faith.

[RUDD]

ayjay:

   

ayjay:

 check that it wasn't an article printed today, if you know what I mean.                        

I was starting to worry about you lot; Stewart you've restored my faith.

I,m no April fool.

I've been one all my life!!!!!

(well it is my Birthday on the 25th)

 

[ 01. April 2005, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: RUDD ]

[Peter Waller]

Is the date relevant Stewart? As it is we are supposed to remove catfish, why not carp? I don't have my copy of the Norfolk Broads FAP here but I think I read in there that carp are less than welcome in the rivers of the Broads. Bit late when forty plussers are coming out of the Waveney though!

[RUDD]

Peter Waller:

Is the date relevant Stewart? As it is we are supposed to remove catfish, why not carp? I don't have my copy of the Norfolk Broads FAP here but I think I read in there that carp are less than welcome in the rivers of the Broads. Bit late when forty plussers are coming out of the Waveney though!

And if in the Waveney why not the Yare, Bure, Thurne, Ant, all the connected broads and god knows how many dykes etc.

[A Worm OOE]

Does anyone really think that Carp are not present in almost every one of our major waterways.

If you look through some of the Carp chat rooms there are usually people searching for information on catching carp on all sorts of waters that you would not imediately think of.

All the time that these carp are in small numbers and are posing no threat to the natural balance of other species then I think they offer a valuable addition to our fishing( though not mine). Problems will only accur if they start to dominate and so far I cant think of any places where they do in our rivers.

It may be that if our temperatures rise as predicted by some then carp might get a stonger hold of our rivers however in these circumstances our natural fish may start to decline and we will be glad of some carp.

[Dunk Fairley]

As far as I know (after a few chats with my local EA bods), the EA are not fans of Carp in the Medway. However, when I reported Carp deaths at Allington Lock a couple of years ago, they did come along and have a look at the dead fish.

 

The deaths were put down to spawning stress. The river flow had been quite strong, preventing the weed from growing well, thus preventing the fish from spawning properly, leaving them big, fat and not well prepared for swimming in faster flows.

 

The only fish I found in any numbers, were below the last lock on the river (Allington Lock). Above the lock, where there was weed growth, I found only a couple of dead'uns.

 

'Worm, you're correct in that the carp have been in the river a long time, I'd say a lot longer than 25 years. Possibly 40. I've fished successfully for them for a while now, but the smallest I've caught personally, was 12lbs. this indicates that if they do spawn succesfully, the Chub, Perch etc, are feeding well on the fry. Add the Signal crays and the Mitten crabs, and it would be a surprise if any grow from egg to maturity nowadays.

 

Now, getting back to ayjay's original posting, I think what we have to remember is the key words "Where possible". There is no way, that there will ever be enough funding to clear rivers such as the Medway of Carp (which I have no problem with in the Medway, as I consider them to be part of the present eco-system, which is reasonably balanced), likewise the Trent, Avon etc. It's also doubtful they'd be able to clear other rivers, like the Test etc.

 

If the EA seemingly make very little effort to clear signal crays and mittens (I've never seen a trap on the Medway), they certainly won't be able to justify the expenditure needed to remove fish (I don't believe they've ever managed to successfully remove Zander anywhere, have they?).

 

What the EA can already do, is (if they can be bothered) pursue prosecutions against those who allow stock fish to escape. I'm afraid most of the damage has already been done (the Monk Lake problem, did no favours to the Beult or the Medway).

 

Rudd. I'm a bit of a purist river angler, I fish for Barbel. I don't blame Carp anglers for the introduction of Carp into any of the rivers I fish. I get the right hump however, when I set my stall out to fish for Barbel, Dace, Chub etc and all I catch are Koi, Goldfish, Orandas and Fantails!! If anyone's to blame for that problem, how do we nail them!

[Dunk Fairley]

have a look here:

 

www.charliecarp.com

[RUDD]

Dunk

 

just wait until you hook and land a terrapin.

Best thing to do is cut your hooklength if you value your fingers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ 01. April 2005, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: RUDD ]

[Dunk Fairley]

I did once have a frog come up to the surface and try to bonk a pike bung, at Keston Fish ponds when I was a kid.