IS THIS FAIR

[big_cod]

Is this really fair when the wealthyiest in our society have just been hugh tax cuts will it backfire on goverment allready under imense pressure on an economy which is flat and no growth both mr osborn and mr cameron could soon themsleves be looking for a new job.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21321113

 

paul.

Edited March 20, 2013 by big_cod

[nick]

totally unfair. And might cost the public purse a lot of money.

 

If everyone in social housing that has a "spare bedroom" were to move to the private rented sector to get into the "right size" then the cost would be greater than is currently being paid in housing benefit for these "subsidised" rooms.

 

And when that tosser Cameron says get a lodger, why should anyone be forced to take a stranger into their home. If the government wants people in the "right sized" home in the social sector then they should make them available.

 

As an example, I live in a three bed house which I rent from the Highland Council. I pay £80.92 per week. Let's pretend I get 100% housing benefit. Let's also say that Jill sees sense and walks out taking the kids with her. That would mean I would be entitled to a one bed property. There are no one bed social houses available in Thurso, so I get myself a one bed flat from a private landlord. I would then be entitled to Local Housing Allowance. The rate for LHA for a one bed property in Thurso is £90 per week.

 

So looking at the above scenario not only would it cost the public purse an additional £10 per week for me to move house, but it would doubtless cost the public purse more to help me meet the cost of moving too.

 

Incidently, the LHA for a three bed is £126.92! Private rented housing costs more and gives no real security of tenure. It really is stupid to follow a policy which is designed to cost less that will cost more and give far less security of tenure to families.

Edited March 20, 2013 by nick

[Andrew]

I wonder if the MPs can only claim for a one bedrooms gaff they rent ? Or are they allowed more because they sometimes take their brats with them, and some may even take a mistress/lover, of whatever gender along, ho ho ho.

I watched one show where the MPs were renting their pads out near the house, so they could rent a place further away, get paid rent, pay the mortgage and thwen claim rent back for their rental place, another win win situation for the, cooking th expenses books more like it.

[big_cod]

I think a lot people are in for a massive shock with the roof tax the penny hasnt dropped yet another vote winner for consevatives.

 

 

paul.

[Steve Walker]

I think a lot people are in for a massive shock with the roof tax the penny hasnt dropped yet another vote winner for consevatives.

 

 

Wouldn't imagine that they have many votes to lose amongst those on benefits.

[nick]

There are plenty of people not on benefits that do actually give a damn about the lack of fairness being demonstrated day by day by the current government. If this government really wants to drive down the benefits bill they would look at universal benefits, and in work benefits in general. They would also not keep pandering to the wealthier members of society.

 

Last year the took £2500 of lots of working families, only working between 16 and 24 hours per week, but working none the less, at the same time they eased the "cliff edge" for those poor souls earning over £50000 who were losing child benefit.

 

For all it's talk of fairness the only fairness they are concerned with is that that lines the pockets of the wealthier, likely tory voters, and damns the poor to further penury.

[big_cod]

Wouldn't imagine that they have many votes to lose amongst those on benefits.

Steve a lot of hard working people at some time in there lives can end up unemployed and you have to remember half the country is on some sort of benefit working tax credits is massive i was there myself but for only very short periods in the late 80ss when i worked in oil industry i have been self employed ever since but those days are rather similar in a sense to now , more people out of work than the actual picture is telling us and yes it was the conservatives in power then as it is now they seem to some how strangle the economy to make it flat history is repeating itself get ready for the tax cuts though before the next election a great big carrot is needed at the expense of the poorest in our society i would put my house on it its a certainty.

 

paul.

Edited March 20, 2013 by big_cod

[big_cod]

There are plenty of people not on benefits that do actually give a damn about the lack of fairness being demonstrated day by day by the current government. If this government really wants to drive down the benefits bill they would look at universal benefits, and in work benefits in general. They would also not keep pandering to the wealthier members of society.

 

Last year the took £2500 of lots of working families, only working between 16 and 24 hours per week, but working none the less, at the same time they eased the "cliff edge" for those poor souls earning over £50000 who were losing child benefit.

 

For all it's talk of fairness the only fairness they are concerned with is that that lines the pockets of the wealthier, likely tory voters, and damns the poor to further penury.

Nick its there for eveybody to see some turn a blind eye the press are the worst only reporting whats best for there political preferences.

 

paul.

[Steve Walker]

Even so, I doubt that the people who have a problem with this would have voted conservative in the first place. You may as well say that Labour lost votes for introducing the 50% rate. I'm sure there were people who were unaffected but who thought that it was unfair, spiteful and economically ignorant, but they're a tiny minority. Most people know where their interests lie and vote accordingly. There is a utilitarian argument that they are doing the right thing - that voting against one's own best interests undermines the functioning of democracy in delivering the government which makes the most people happy.

[gozzer]

" A Government that makes most people happy" ????

I've never known one, have you Steve?

 

That's part of the problem, people can't see any further than their own desires. The idea is to get the country out of the crap, not to make one section better off at the expence of another. Capitalism (as it is now) isn't working, Socialism, (as some see it) hasn't worked. If, as most politicians state, they were/would be a Government of the people, all people, then they could find a solution. But they all have their own personal/party agendas, just like the electorate, and we end up with the same rubbish that we've had in the past.

Human nature at it's worse.

 

John.