Particals

[Steve Burke]

I don't know Peter, but I'd be very interested to find out. I imagine Bruno's away abroad on business as he's not posting at present. But I'm sure he'll have some ideas. Anyone else?

 

Situations where theory and practice disagree intrigue me. One of them must be wrong, and in my experience it's usually theory!

[Newt]

Why on earth do they get preoccupied on a foodstuff that makes them lose weight, there must be some benefit to them to be so attractive.

Attraction often does not equal beneficial.

 

Think of all the human critters that become preoccupied with the various addictive items that are not at all healthy. This could well be the fishy equivalent.

[lidoman]

Attraction often does not equal beneficial.

 

Think of all the human critters that become preoccupied with the various addictive items that are not at all healthy. This could well be the fishy equivalent.

yes interesting theory newt, you may well be right the fish just love the taste of them but they are not nutritionally satisfying......kind of like carp burgers!!!!!

[peter mccue]

Attraction often does not equal beneficial.

 

Think of all the human critters that become preoccupied with the various addictive items that are not at all healthy. This could well be the fishy equivalent.

 

 

Fair point Newt, But human critter fast foods are usually highly nutritious, just completely overloaded with attractants which has us eating more & more!!

 

End result...big fat human critters...not little skinny human critters

[lidoman]

Fair point Newt, But human critter fast foods are usually highly nutritious, just completely overloaded with attractants which has us eating more & more!!

 

End result...big fat human critters...not little skinny human critters

poor analogy i should have used the analogy of a smoker, alcoholic or drug user......drug addict probably being more apt. How many overweight heroin addicts do you see....not many they are usually malnourished and unhealthy. Surely there must certain natural substances that may be addictive to fish or more specifically carp.....as for human fast foods being highly nutritious. They provide us with proteins, fats and carbohydrates but usually in the wrong proportions and form. saturated fats and refined sugars, neither of which are nutritionally sound.

[Fat boy]

I dont fish with nuts/tigers (except on the hair) because of an experiance i had a few years ago, i was at a water that had a lot of tigers going in. I was up a tree (as ya do) watching a big mirror and i saw it crap out hole tigers, it then turned round and re'eat them and just sat there. About an hour later it did it again.

Having seen 7 different carp do this that day even though there was plenty of other bait avalable, it put a serios dout in my mind of how good tigers are for carp?

[Tony U]

I dont fish with nuts/tigers (except on the hair) because of an experiance i had a few years ago, i was at a water that had a lot of tigers going in. I was up a tree (as ya do) watching a big mirror and i saw it crap out hole tigers, it then turned round and re'eat them and just sat there. About an hour later it did it again.

Having seen 7 different carp do this that day even though there was plenty of other bait avalable, it put a serios dout in my mind of how good tigers are for carp?

 

Many plant eating animals do this Rabbits Horses etc, chewing the cud in ruminants is just a form of this behaviour, just because it is abhorrent to us does not mean that its bad for the animals welfare.

 

Tony

[peter mccue]

poor analogy i should have used the analogy of a smoker, alcoholic or drug user......drug addict probably being more apt. How many overweight heroin addicts do you see....not many they are usually malnourished and unhealthy. Surely there must certain natural substances that may be addictive to fish or more specifically carp.....as for human fast foods being highly nutritious. They provide us with proteins, fats and carbohydrates but usually in the wrong proportions and form. saturated fats and refined sugars, neither of which are nutritionally sound.

 

 

Now there's an interesting thought, narcotic nuts!! thats a great explanation & even better, it fits

 

Mind I didn't say fast food was balanced, far from it.

[carperc]

Well Im relatively new to the carp scene, so don't know how true this is but I had read somewhere that carp can't digest tigers the first time they eat them so when they crap them out, they eat them again and again until they digest them.

[Julian]

My understanding of the subject is that it’s a kind of double whammy with many nuts and some particles. Firstly they can be low in nutritional value, therefore a carp would need to eat a great deal to get any kind of benefit in terms of weight gain, and secondly, the digestion process slows as the fish tries to gain more nutrients before excretion. The ultimate example of this is when nuts are passed whole – they’ve not got much benefit out of eating those, have they? Thus they have to eat them time and time again to try and break them down and get some value out of them.

 

Thus the HNV principle comes into effect, give a fish a bait that in can breakdown (digest) really easily and that it can get a high nutritional benefit from in terms of vitamins, proteins, etc, and it should put weight on quicker as it does not need to eat as much to gain weight. Also, it should eat more as it digests and excretes the bait quicker.

 

That said, particles and nuts can be some of the most devastating baits available to catch carp. I don’t profess to know why (Bruno!?) but I guess it’s something to do with the attraction qualities, no matter how bad the food is for them – a bit like humans and chocolate, perhaps?

 

I catch 98% of my summer fish over particles nowadays, not tons of the stuff, mind. My usual approach is to fish just a handful of soaked and blended (quicker to digest) particle mix with a worm or grain of corn over the top as hookbait. As a stalking approach it’s is quite simply deadly – not found anything to beat it yet!

 

Julian