Are anglers doing enough

[stavey]

Hello Stavey

 

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i fail to see the connection, like i have said before wurzel cannot look at rsa in the same way as some one who does not make his living from it

 

It puts me in a better position than you , I can see both sides of the coin, mostly your cliams are un founded and unnessesry and I try to explain why. Of cause I see RSA differently than you, I am mostly at sea, while you are mostly at home.

 

Morning wurzel, your claims may hold some truth where you are but not in my back yard, i will have to trust what you say about where you are, but you refuse to acknowledge an ounce of truth what i say about the area in my back garden, if you would except peoples opinions from other area's may have some merits and have a point or two there just may be a chance we could all get on better, you may have heard a few reports from fellow fishermen from hastings and rye but thats about it, hows it going with your sole quota? have you had any luck with defra?????

[Brian Carragher]

Hello Stavey

 

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i fail to see the connection, like i have said before wurzel cannot look at rsa in the same way as some one who does not make his living from it

 

It puts me in a better position than you , I can see both sides of the coin, mostly your cliams are un founded and unnessesry and I try to explain why. Of cause I see RSA differently than you, I am mostly at sea, while you are mostly at home.

 

 

Hello Peter (Wurzel)

 

Just to put this one to bed if you can

I know you are a mad keen angler who makes a living from the sea but for the benefit of all those "Thomas's" who doubt your sincerity can you tell us when you last went angling. I know its in here somewhere as Cliffe recently gave a report about a day you both had out together but I thought a reply from the horses mouth as it were would be better

[big_cod]

Hello Peter (Wurzel)

 

Interesting.

[Brian Carragher]

Hello Paul(Big Cod)

 

Intresting? , Very very intresting (or not as the case may be)

 

Would you prefer me to call you Paul, which is the name you were christened with or do you prefer BC? either will do , no bother either way, asking purely out of intrest you understand

[wurzel]

Hello Big Cod

 

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THERE IS LESS AND LESS FISH ,you just dont get it do you THE DAMAGE HAS ALLREADY BEEN DONE you cant do any more it wont take it its been flogged to death.

 

 

It must be very hard for you to keep your customers happy.

Surely the wrecks inshore are under more pressure from constant attention from angling boats than commercial boats.

 

These conservation threads always end up the same old crap.

By the way Big Cod, did you ever dig up any thing from the archives, I still say cod fishing on the east coast is about the same now as it was 60 or 70 years ago.

 

This is the problem when conservation is discussed, you always harp on about how it was and what should have been done, and I still say other than no commercial fishing at all it would not have made much difference as far as cod is concerned.

 

It would be more productive to discuss what measures are in place, what if any effects they are having.

 

What more anglers can do for conservation, I am not sure, as far as the commercial sector is concerned, I am not sure they need to do any thing, the need to manage brigade are doing just fine with out any help from Leon.

 

As for acts of conservation by anglers, now that’s another prickly subject. Again I think the need to manage brigade will soon force the bag limits on you, how are you gong to work that Big Cod? Are you going to say "it’s impossible to fish to these quotas "?

 

In the mean time educating the size limits would be good, and until it's forced on you, catch and release is down to personal preference, I can respect the views of anglers like Sharkbyte, but at the same time as I eat fish 2 or 3 times a week, I have no problem with somebody taking fish for the pot, what I do hate is waste, when bags of fish are taken, and you know for one reason or another they will end up in the bin.

[seaside]

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Putting fish back for one's own satisifaction and believing your doing your bit for conservation is fine and admirable, i would not knock it, but it is not going to help to make the powers that be sit up and listen and change policies for our benefit, and just relying on others to do so (although there efforts have be remakable so far to say the least) with no help or finance from us is in the long run doomed to failure, so it is time to make an effort otherwise we all know what is going to happen, thats right nothing........................

 

I agree with Orca & others, catch and return is probably the biggest single conservation policy practiced by the majority of anglers.

 

There have been terrific achievements made by focussed and specialised groups, because they are exactly that, focussed, but you are looking at the overall RSA population, so, rather than generalisations, can you identify a specific 'conservation' activity that you think would be equally acceptable to the vast majority of RSAs and how such could be implemented.

 

Of course, any activity must be one that is actionable by anglers, as no other group has a vested interest in improving our environment.

 

BTW, the offer of the M25 challenge still stands.

[Steve Walker]

Might be better to rephrase the question; are the general public doing enough? Is there anything RSAs can do "for conservation" that the general public can't?

 

I don't think there is a great deal the average shore-fishing RSA can do by changing his fishing practices apart from releasing rare and valuable fish (by which I mean large individuals of certain species). We just don't take enough fish for not taking them to make any real difference. Boat angling may be a different matter.

 

There is plenty that everyone, RSA or general public, can do for conservation. More and more consumers are concerned about the sustainability of where their food comes from. They can write letters, join organisations, change their shopping habits, etc.

[wurzel]

Hello Brain

 

Peter (Wurzel)

 

Just to put this one to bed if you can

I know you are a mad keen angler who makes a living from the sea but for the benefit of all those "Thomas's" who doubt your sincerity can you tell us when you last went angling. I know its in here somewhere as Cliffe recently gave a report about a day you both had out together but I thought a reply from the horses mouth as it were would be better

 

If I am not at sea I am angling, mostly fresh water, when at sea and there is an oppatunity to get me rod out , it is never wasted.

The weather was perticualy bad this spring, I normaly take a few freinds out for a day or two if there is not to much gear on board, at the moment the boat is fully loaded, it is not practicle to try and fish from it.

 

when did I go angling last ? well yesterday I took a day off to do some jobs on the boat . other than that because the weather and tides are bad I have been angling for tench , Friday , Saturday, Sunday for a couple of hours with my young grandson at a local carp puddle, Monday from dawn to dark, and I am just on my way out now and plan to do tomorrow as well. most of the winter I have been stalking the local river for chub, and when the conditions are right and I am not working I like to go to a syndicate stretch on the river Severn.

 

The job I do averages out at about 3 days a week through out the year, so that gives me 4 days a week to go angling, if you include the hours I spend angling while commercial fishing also the days spent trolling for bass, I reckon I do more angling than most .

[Pugs]

i mean i aint been since last september cheers.......

 

Neither have I , it aint worth it here on the Sussex coast, unless you want to catch undersize Pout

Edited March 30, 2006 by Pugs

[stavey]

Perhaps 998700 anglers are better at it than you are, and manage to catch reasonable amounts of large fish there fore are happy with things as they are.

 

Hi wurzel have you checked the poll count lately? i think you will find your assumptions are completely wrong yet again.