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Hi John and Michele

 

Thats a very fair assessment, and you have a really good understanding of the situation

 

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Hi Steve,

It’s déjà vu. I’ve already been down this road once before. I got out of commercial fishing because I had no confidence in the management strategy of the UK government. Having destroyed most of the commercial fishing industry and disrupted and or disabled the rest, our government is looking for new prey. It seems RSA is now in their sights. UK Fisheries management is wholly about administration and nothing to do with fish stocks.

 

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Hi Steve,

It’s déjà vu. I’ve already been down this road once before. I got out of commercial fishing because I had no confidence in the management strategy of the UK government. Having destroyed most of the commercial fishing industry and disrupted and or disabled the rest, our government is looking for new prey. It seems RSA is now in their sights. UK Fisheries management is wholly about administration and nothing to do with fish stocks.

 

JB

 

Hi John and Michele

 

Nodding and smiling here

 

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Whether or not RSA reps and commercial reps would ever wish to form an alliance is, as you say, debatable. However, at this crucial time the last thing RSAs should be doing is cultivating enemies.

 

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John and Michele

over the last 18 months or so the accusations lies and incitements to hatred that have been posted on this forum about and directed at the commercial fishing industry has been nothing short of shameful.

I have tried my best (the same as you have) to try and steam some of the tide of abuse, untruths ridicules speculation and total ignorance of an industry that (because they know no better) has been systematically used to drive a wedge between any sort of dialogue being formed.

As peter has said, you only will have had to work within DEFRAs crazy bureaucratic world to know that you cannot defeat bureaucracy with words. You can only adapt to there management rules and fight and lobby at every given opportunity. Just like commercial lobbyist have done for decades.

RSA are about to face there real enemy, an enemy that is not built on the assumptions of commercial activities but an enemy whose reputation is built on the evidence of a bureaucratically fed disaster. The CFP and all that goes with it.

As for commercial fishermen getting angry at RSA on this forum? All I can say is that I admire the commercials restraint.

Regards.

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John and Michele

over the last 18 months or so the accusations lies and incitements to hatred that have been posted on this forum about and directed at the commercial fishing industry has been nothing short of shameful.

I have tried my best (the same as you have) to try and steam some of the tide of abuse, untruths ridicules speculation and total ignorance of an industry that (because they know no better) has been systematically used to drive a wedge between any sort of dialogue being formed.

As peter has said, you only will have had to work within DEFRAs crazy bureaucratic world to know that you cannot defeat bureaucracy with words. You can only adapt to there management rules and fight and lobby at every given opportunity. Just like commercial lobbyist have done for decades.

RSA are about to face there real enemy, an enemy that is not built on the assumptions of commercial activities but an enemy whose reputation is built on the evidence of a bureaucratically fed disaster. The CFP and all that goes with it.

As for commercial fishermen getting angry at RSA on this forum? All I can say is that I admire the commercials restraint.

Regards.

 

I think what you are posting Challenge is not helpfull. It works both ways and i take offence by being stigmatised with the 'rest'. You are posting that the rsa are evil, the commercial are whiter than white, both statements are not true. There are elements in both camps not all, if you wish to continue bringing this up as them and us, please post correctly. I think it is inflaming the situation.

 

A lot of the rsa who bother are not stupid enough to realise what defra, bradshaw and co are up to, yes the only course of action is to engage with them to try and make what is coming the least painfull.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Hellp Glenn

 

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yes the only course of action is to engage with them to try and make what is coming the least painfull.

 

 

You can engage with Bradshaw if you like, I've heard there are ways of making it less painfull, best of luck remember you do this for England and the anglers of England.

I fish to live and live to fish.

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Hellp Glenn

 

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yes the only course of action is to engage with them to try and make what is coming the least painfull.

You can engage with Bradshaw if you like, I've heard there are ways of making it less painfull, best of luck remember you do this for England and the anglers of England.

 

 

Is that a bit of comradeship i can detect here orrrrr...... :hug:

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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You can engage with Bradshaw if you like, I've heard there are ways of making it less painfull, best of luck remember you do this for England and the anglers of England.

Good morning Peter,

You have made me laugh on this rainy morning.

Hopefully they will use the EU-directive condoms.

 

JB

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John Brennan and Michele Wheeler, Whitby

http://www.chieftaincharters.com

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John and Michele

over the last 18 months or so the accusations lies and incitements to hatred that have been posted on this forum about and directed at the commercial fishing industry has been nothing short of shameful.

I have tried my best (the same as you have) to try and steam some of the tide of abuse, untruths ridicules speculation and total ignorance of an industry that (because they know no better) has been systematically used to drive a wedge between any sort of dialogue being formed.

As peter has said, you only will have had to work within DEFRAs crazy bureaucratic world to know that you cannot defeat bureaucracy with words. You can only adapt to there management rules and fight and lobby at every given opportunity. Just like commercial lobbyist have done for decades.

RSA are about to face there real enemy, an enemy that is not built on the assumptions of commercial activities but an enemy whose reputation is built on the evidence of a bureaucratically fed disaster. The CFP and all that goes with it.

As for commercial fishermen getting angry at RSA on this forum? All I can say is that I admire the commercials restraint.

Regards.

 

 

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese give us a break for gawds sake challenge, those poor old fishermen eh, i have no hatred as you put it towards commercial fishermen but i do take issue when it comes down to certain netting practices that i feel are totaly wrong and unecessary and down right wasteful on certain fish stocks that amounts to nothing more than beer money, i have admittedly in the past used such words as greedy and selfishness towards certain commercial attitudes which i have felt justified to say at the time, but i have'nt i dont think used the words like enemy's and hatred that you seem to use all the time maybe you should look at yourself towards helping to shove a wedge between the two.

 

As for defra!! the rsa are not divs we all know how it works just because you were once a commercial it doe's not make you no more an expert on government departments than any other half erducated citizen of this country, defra is just another government department period, cheers.................

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I wish you'd stop stating that people have supported the RSA strategy, licences and bag limits, when they haven't!

 

Steve if you were to search the archives of this forum (look for a topic called the end for charter fishing) I'm sure there would be posts from yourself where you were pro bag limits and licences. Its only in recent times you have seen the light.

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Steve if you were to search the archives of this forum (look for a topic called the end for charter fishing) I'm sure there would be posts from yourself where you were pro bag limits and licences. Its only in recent times you have seen the light.

 

I'm sure Glenn, that they would also say only as part of a package along with other measures that would benefit RSA. Please don't insult me by saying only recently have I seen the light, I've always said that bag limits and licences would be a good idea if we had all the benefits that go with them, the same as the countries where they have licences, bag limits and lots of big fish. What I will grant you is the fact that I've recently, (since Bradshaw announced the 40cm bass MLS), realised that we won't ever have that in this country because our politicians and civil servants aren't prepared to deliver any real benefits to RSA, and some of those representing us at the front aren't up to the job.

 

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yes the only course of action is to engage with them to try and make what is coming the least painfull.

You can engage with Bradshaw if you like, I've heard there are ways of making it less painfull, best of luck remember you do this for England and the anglers of England.

 

 

Hello Peter

 

Thanks for making me laugh on an otherwise shitty day. Funniest thing I've read in ages.

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DRUNK DRIVERS WRECK LIVES.

 

Don't drink and drive.

 

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