Seven Myths about Incapacity Benefit

[kleinboet]

Yoxer, I agree totally that it is too easy to get a council property, look at all the single mums (and I don't mean mums that are divorced or separated). I have actually heard a mother with four daughters (the eldest 16) turn round to her eldest and say "Why don't you get pregnant? You can get yourself a flat and take your sister (2nd eldest) with you".

 

As for IB benefits - totally different matter, it is extremely difficult to fake as you would have to fool your doctor, the DSS doctor and a DSS council meeting to decide whether you qualify, then the same thing happening regularly, at least once every two years!! (unless there is Xray, specialist reports and/or agreement as to the fact that the condition will not improve.)

[yoxer]

Klienboet. It is the same with everything you can name including quatumn physics or brain surgery. Once you know how its done its a doddle. I can only repeat do you think the UK population has changed so much over the past two decades to justify such a increase. Half a million people under 35 claiming Incapacity Benefit?

Edited February 17, 2008 by John S

[gozzer]

I can only repeat do you think the UK population has changed so much over the past two decades to justify such a increase. Half a million people under 35 claiming Incapacity Benefit?

 

I can only refer you to the answer I gave you, when you first asked that question.

#68 I think.

 

John.

[yoxer]

#68 ......... "Mmmm! Let me think.

What happened to this country, in the 80s?

What changed the life and attitudes of a large part of the workforce?

What forced men who had worked in a skilled industry, to apply for low paid service industry jobs.

I could go on, but do I really need to? "

 

 

Yes you do, do you think we should all still be down the pits etc? Can you say what the attitudes of a large part of the workforce are ? Do you now think the pittance of what passes as a the minium wage is a good idea in a global economy in which we can no longer compete ?

[kleinboet]

Yoxer - There is an old saying - "there's none so blind as those that will not see"

You, in your ignorance (or is it egotism), have forgotton about all the immigration we have had since the 80's. quite a high percentage of those immigrants are currently receiving benefits, NHS cover, free housing and council tax etc.

This has put a great strain on the governments budget, and they are looking at IB as a way of cutting expenditure. The unfortunate thing is that they are picking on the one benefit that is the hardest to obtain. You don't see the ladettes with kids in tow on IB, it's too hard to get onto.

Fraud? YES - ANY system is open to fraud, a person can have a quadruple bypass and be given IB until he is fit for work again - and he just stays on it! These are the people that are commiting fraud on IB.

Your airy - fairy statement about it being a doddle is BS!! nothing more - or is it a goad to get the answers going.

What you want to do is KNOW your subject before posting remarks like that, as they show you up as ignorant!

[yoxer]

"You, in your ignorance (or is it egotism), have forgotton about all the immigration we have had since the 80's. quite a high percentage of those immigrants are currently receiving benefits, NHS cover, free housing and council tax etc."

 

Right first time , its ignorance. Please tell me how many of those immigrants are currently receiving benifits and what the high percentage is , or is this just a wild stab in the dark

[mr motorola]

#68 ......... "Mmmm! Let me think.

What happened to this country, in the 80s?

What changed the life and attitudes of a large part of the workforce?

What forced men who had worked in a skilled industry, to apply for low paid service industry jobs.

I could go on, but do I really need to? "

Yes you do, do you think we should all still be down the pits etc? Can you say what the attitudes of a large part of the workforce are ? Do you now think the pittance of what passes as a the minium wage is a good idea in a global economy in which we can no longer compete ?

 

I wouldn't go as far to say that we should still be working down the pits but , the pit culture along with its huge community of everyone knowing everyone and with the massive closure of the industry (as a whole ) it pretty much killed that society off!!

Men who were brought up alongside other men with the camaraderie instilled into them from a very early age now had to find new work friends in new work which would seem alien to them.

With the years / decades of hard labour put into an industry by these people (miners) could it be fair to say that these people have given a big fat two fingers to their leaders and with this outlook on society rubbing off on their children?

[kleinboet]

Certainly - There are currently 190,000 LEGAL immigrants coming to our shore every year! (according to the government, which are known for "shrinking" the numbers!)

They are entitled to housing, council tax, NHS and JSA benefits - that is draining recources!!

And don't forget, those are the legal immigrants - total immigration is far higher than that!

Edited February 17, 2008 by kleinboet

[yoxer]

#127, it rarely makes finacial sense to use your own resources if you can obtain them from a source that is prepaired to supply them cheaper. It never makes sense to use a more expensive product to use in the production of other products when competeing against other competitors using that cheaper source. While this wasnt the only reason , it is undeniable, and a situation that could never be maintained.

"could it be fair to say that these people have given a big fat two fingers to their leaders and with this outlook on society rubbing off on their children?" Indeed it could even though there was never a viable alternative and does also go a long way why people are taking advantage of the benifit system. Not because they are sick or do not want to work but because there is no incentive for them to work.

 

#128, of the 190,000 LEGAL immigrants coming to our shore every year, how many are using the benifit system ? All of them ? Also this is just one more reason for scrapping the benifit system entirely.

Im not too certain of these figures and cant be arsed to check as its not a point worth arguing over however I thnk Im right in stating that if we do have 190,000 legal imigrants coming into the UK we are actualy running at a loss as 254,800 are leaving the UK, a rate of 700 per day.

[Guest Rabbit]

I wouldn't go as far to say that we should still be working down the pits but , the pit culture along with its huge community of everyone knowing everyone and with the massive closure of the industry (as a whole ) it pretty much killed that society off!!

Men who were brought up alongside other men with the camaraderie instilled into them from a very early age now had to find new work friends in new work which would seem alien to them.

With the years / decades of hard labour put into an industry by these people (miners) could it be fair to say that these people have given a big fat two fingers to their leaders and with this outlook on society rubbing off on their children?

 

Yes and look at the demise of South Wales too, but the world does change as does the shift in economies and we all have to adapt. If you cannot adapt or refuse to then you will be left behind, it really is no use bemoaning what we were better to think of what we can be. Yes it was hard and Arthur Scargill did nothing except alienate a whole country against the miners, for the sake of trying digging heels in quicksand.

Its the people that drive the community forward not Government and looking back as to the great wealth and happiness you had is a myth, even when the mines were operating their was extreme poverty a blackened landscccape and early death for many that worked in mining. It is a better life for many, its just that some have not dragged themselves in the new millennium.

Do you think the Poles have had it easy? nope they are had it darn site harder then us, and yet they are making a fist of it and taking our jobs because we prefer to stay at home and moan about Maggie and the miners.They got off their bikes and so should we, its a big world.

Edited February 17, 2008 by Rabbit