520lber caught!

[Warrior]

I'M looking at going probably wednesday night guys. Damn weather. Last month the full moon brought some serious fish.

[MJB]

BOTTOMFISH:

I say you start a revolution. We will back you up.

Can we stop for tea and tiffin first?

[BOTTOMFISH]

Capt thank you for giving the due respect to all.

[BOTTOMFISH]

MJB:

MJB:

I say you start a revolution. We will back you up.

Can we stop for tea and tiffin first?

We stop for coffe and donuts.

Thank god this thread has become civil.

 

[ 15. October 2005, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: BOTTOMFISH ]

[stan4massey]

Could be very informative on both sides if it remains civil. Stuff the revolution, we lost out on the last one, no wonder your drinking coffee, all the tea got chipped overboard somewhere around Boston MA I think.

[Warrior]

BottomFish, Boats- Did yall go to the National marine fisheries meeting in Lauderdale? Have they had it yet? North Atlantic HMS that is.

[Scopex]

BOTTOMFISH:

BOTTOMFISH:

BOTTOMFISH:

You catch small fish with 80# power pro and say this is conservation, what is the sport in that!

Scopex

I understand what you are saying, and their is the difference. For bottom fishing here to catch Grouper we use heavy leader(50-80# mono)but that is to catch a fish normaly over 15#.The Grouper can pull 80# main line in to a hole in a matter of seconds with full drag on standup gear. This being said we could catch the Grouper with 130# or more but we dont for the sport and conservation of the fish.

 

I'm sorry Bottomfish you still obviously don't understand, what I've said if you are trying to compare 80lb mono to 80lb braid, sure the b/s is similar but their abilities and my reasons for using them are somewhat different.

 

To put it in perspective, before turning to braid for dead baiting for pike, I happily used 15lb mono for many, many years and I still use 20lb mono on my surf reels. Now that I'm using braid for dead baiting, I use 50lb which has roughly the same diameter as 14lb mono, not simply because of its b/s but for its low stretch and casting abilities, it's diameter also the fact that it adds a modicum of safety if a fish gets snagged is another bonus and one that can't simply be overlooked.

Sure I could drop down to say 15lb or so braid but it simply wouldn't have the abrasion resistance needed for the waters I fish, Scottish lochs, so why should I, what’s sporting about using gear not up to the job in hand?

 

Any fish I am lucky enough to catch have just as sporting a chance to throw the hook as any on mono, probably more so in fact as braid doesn't cushion the fight and it's all too easy to lose a good fish by being to bold! For the big jerkbaits I use 80lb power pro which has the diameter of about 16lb mono, it casts well, doesn't crack off on the cast when chucking some of the really massive jerks about, is pretty resilient to abrasion and means that a snagged fish isn't a dead fish. If you are suggesting that giving the fish the chance of snapping the line and leaving itself tethered to some underwater obstacle to die, is somehow more sporting, please elucidate as I for one cannot see how?

 

I simply don't understand of why you infer that my using 80lb braid can be negative to conservation, I would have thought the opposite applied?

 

At least you didn't descend to the name calling diatribe that some of your fellow countrymen did. If speaking your mind means or voicing your opinion, ends up with you being called stupid, ignorant, w@nkers, well I for one am happily accept the moniker!

 

Our fishery in Florida are a dream for you from what I see posted. Believe we know we are living a dream this is why we take the pics you so dont like, Again I say that we take pics to record the glory not killing of the fish.

I fully appreciate and applaud the role of fishery conservation that takes place in your country, hopefully we can learn some lessons from it but like many Brits, find the whole idea of conservation and dead trophy shots, which many simply are now lets be honest here, a bit of double standard! I've no problem with killing or eating fish, I regularly do myself, as dead fish..is a tasty fish!

 

Scopex

 

[ 15. October 2005, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: Scopex ]

[Scopex]

stan4massey:

Scopex will stick shrimp pins in wax liknesses of you.

No way!!.....Shrimp pins are SO last tuesday, this week I'll be mostly using.....3/0 trebles!

[Warrior]

I think you both have lost site of this issue. We obviously use different tackle, techniques, and bait for all varieties of game we fish for. The problem is they do not understand the concentration of fish we have here in the states. Granted, I myself have noticed -generally speeking- both a decline in some species, and major advances in others. Sailfish, Swordies, Snook, redfish, mullet, amberjacks, and grouper have shown to strengthen in Florida. While offshore fish like Dolphin have seemed to decline. The dolphin though migrate through longliners and very densly populated areas before reaching my area.

Everytime national marine fisheries or our local government get involved with slot limits (min-max inches) or limit the number of fish we are allowed to keep, we seem to strenthen that fish stock immediately. Longliners and commercial fisherman from South America are our #1 problem.

[Scopex]

stan4massey:

From Scopex:- The use of 80lb power pro for casting heavy jerkbaits is not uncommon in the UK, and it ensures you get both lure and fish safely to the bank.

 

Stick a spring balance on your jerk bait rod, you may be surprised to find that the maximum pressure you can put on the fish / line (without even knowing what the rod is) is probably only three or four pounds.

I've straightened out 3/0 trebles on snagged lures on more than one occasion, so suspect it more than three or four pounds as braid has very little or no stretch.

 

[ 15. October 2005, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Scopex ]