A Nice Catch of Mullet

[wurzel]

Excuse ignorance but;

 

1) what is pelagic fishing? i never heard of it till last couple of days

 

2) If the cod stocks were never that big in the first place then why does everyone bang on about the lack of them?

 

3) What about the other 'rarities' such as decent sized coalfish etc.?

 

4) The guys who fish further afield (Azores etc.) what would they be targetting?

 

There seems to b a lot of contradictory 'facts' being bandied about cunningly diguised as opinions.

 

Happen to agree with Wurzell that there's a big difference between greedy and successfull.

 

Maybe we should sink Iceland as well as the French?!?

 

Hello roryh

 

Pelagic fish are herrings sprats mackerel and such fish that shoal off the bottom.

 

The cod stocks were boosted by the so called "gadoid explosion" caused by the server winter of 62-3 and following colder winters, which seemed to have effected all of the northern hemisphere including the grand banks, I believe and nobody has so far come up with any evidence to prove me wrong, that cod stocks have only returned back to their normal levels.

It is also about the time they started to asses fish stocks there are few records of stock levels before the 60's so they started on an abnormal high( or it suits them to) the only way was down even if there were no fishermen at all.

There is increasing science saying that rising sea temperatures not fishing has more effect on cod stocks.

The reason why every body keeps banging on about is they have been brainwashed by government ,green Pease, and hard up for work scientist a bit like global warming and carbon emissions.

Anglers just don't know any better, just because they used to catch cod now they don't in some places they look for somebody to blame and only see us.

 

I don't know about coalfish but we catch a reasonable amount of large fish of the species that we target.

 

I have no idea what a uk vessel would be fishing for at the Azores, Tuna maybe.

 

I take me hat off to Iceland they done and are still doing what we should have done, 200 mile limit and kept out of Europe,

[roryh]

Hello roryh

 

Pelagic fish are herrings sprats mackerel and such fish that shoal off the bottom.

 

The cod stocks were boosted by the so called "gadoid explosion" caused by the server winter of 62-3 and following colder winters, which seemed to have effected all of the northern hemisphere including the grand banks, I believe and nobody has so far come up with any evidence to prove me wrong, that cod stocks have only returned back to their normal levels.

It is also about the time they started to asses fish stocks there are few records of stock levels before the 60's so they started on an abnormal high( or it suits them to) the only way was down even if there were no fishermen at all.

There is increasing science saying that rising sea temperatures not fishing has more effect on cod stocks.

The reason why every body keeps banging on about is they have been brainwashed by government ,green Pease, and hard up for work scientist a bit like global warming and carbon emissions.

Anglers just don't know any better, just because they used to catch cod now they don't in some places they look for somebody to blame and only see us.

 

I don't know about coalfish but we catch a reasonable amount of large fish of the species that we target.

 

I have no idea what a uk vessel would be fishing for at the Azores, Tuna maybe.

 

I take me hat off to Iceland they done and are still doing what we should have done, 200 mile limit and kept out of Europe,

Thanks Wurzell, useful info, i hadnt realised the info about the 62-3 winter etc. if that went on for a while it could wll have boosted southern populations , will have to look up on that.

 

Agree about out of work scientists and global warming, fact is what they always forget to mention is that in geological terms we are still coming out of the last ice age, believe it or not.

where i used to live in Cheshire ther is a place which was named 'the moorings' within living memory and is now 1.5miles inland. Also the town of Helsby (origionally HelsBay) about 5 miles from the water, and the Romans growing vinyards in mainland uk

Hows that for rising sea levels and all that!

 

Also agree about Iceland have done the right thing 200 miles of bugger off its ours and bugger Brussels too!

[stavey]

The Uk minimum mesh size for gill nets is 140 mm for cod with no derogation for any body.

 

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Iceland has decent sized cod. We don't.

Did you not notice the big cod that the fishermen featuring in the resent " the trawler men" on TV made great pains to show off ?

 

I also noted the lack of any decent sized cod or any fish caught between the pair team and there ridiculously large net they towed between them on the same programe wurzel, now how wide was it now a quarter of a mile was,nt it?

[wurzel]

I also noted the lack of any decent sized cod or any fish caught between the pair team and there ridiculously large net they towed between them on the same programe wurzel, now how wide was it now a quarter of a mile was,nt it?

 

 

Hello Stavey

 

A typical Wally perception, some body who knows more about trawling might put me right here.

 

Just because the boats were a quarter of a mile apart does not mean the net was, although the warps have a herding effect the net is nothing like a quarter of a mile wide.

They were fishing for haddock generally not a large fish, the cod would have been a by catch.

 

Some body writing in the fishing news this week suggests that less than 30% of what’s in front of the trawl end up being caught, I have seen video evidence of this.

At the end of their trip the pair team were happy with their landing.

[fishyrob]

Hi barry luxton

 

Iceland have got management policies that work

 

steve

 

 

Hi kids. Iceland has fiercley guarded its waters for a lot longer than most people realise. Although the cod wars of 1972 and onwards are what most people think of, the first cod wars between the UK and Iceland were in 1893, when the Danish government put an exclusion zone around Iceland. The brits ignored it, and had their boats escorted under armed escort into Icelandic ports where they were fined and their hauls confiscated. So, in 1893 the Danish government initiated a fisheries policy, actively policed it and saw results. Shame our own fisheries patrols dont manage to be so active, a mere 114 years later.........

[roryh]

Hi kids. Iceland has fiercley guarded its waters for a lot longer than most people realise. Although the cod wars of 1972 and onwards are what most people think of, the first cod wars between the UK and Iceland were in 1893, when the Danish government put an exclusion zone around Iceland. The brits ignored it, and had their boats escorted under armed escort into Icelandic ports where they were fined and their hauls confiscated. So, in 1893 the Danish government initiated a fisheries policy, actively policed it and saw results. Shame our own fisheries patrols dont manage to be so active, a mere 114 years later.........

These things dont happen overnight you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest challenge]

Hello Stavey

 

A typical Wally perception, some body who knows more about trawling might put me right here.

 

Just because the boats were a quarter of a mile apart does not mean the net was, although the warps have a herding effect the net is nothing like a quarter of a mile wide.

They were fishing for haddock generally not a large fish, the cod would have been a by catch.

 

Some body writing in the fishing news this week suggests that less than 30% of what’s in front of the trawl end up being caught, I have seen video evidence of this.

At the end of their trip the pair team were happy with their landing.

have been pair trawling and you would have to have at least a hundred boats on each warp end to tow a net a quarter of a mile wide.

They did not catch much cod on that trip but the still managed to gross £1 000000 each last year.

[stavey]

have been pair trawling and you would have to have at least a hundred boats on each warp end to tow a net a quarter of a mile wide.

They did not catch much cod on that trip but the still managed to gross £1 000000 each last year.

 

 

Sounds to me that pair trawling is not much more efficient than single trawling then challenge maybe? if thats the case why do it? a million quid each gross Hmmmm what the f**k are they moaning about quota's for, and the lack of i wonder? who do we believe people like you who say they are doing quite nicely or, the majority of commercial boys who keep saying that any more cuts what so ever means there down the pan, its awfully confusing dont you know, cheers...........

[Jim Roper]

How much of their turnover went back to the bank? The bankers have been doing very well out of boat owners.

[roryh]

How much of their turnover went back to the bank? The bankers have been doing very well out of boat owners.

 

+fuel

+wages

+maintenance

+replacing lost gear

 

++++

 

£1,000,000 aint much in a year.