Article 47

[H.A.]

Did the South coast charters always have a boat limit for Black Bream in force.

 

No they didn't.

 

 

You fellahs are so 'touchy', I'm not sure if that is a criticism aimed at me?

 

I don't set any bag limits, but I never keep more than I need (and I don't sell).

 

Personally, I was put off southern England wrecking, when I had to take 140lbs of pollack fillets out of Lymington .... when I'd much rather have fished with that skipper for a mixture of 2 or 3 of each species we could lock horns with.

(I gave the whole lot to an old folks home in Eastleigh. 2 dustbin bags full)

 

I've never been wrecking since.

 

I don't intend to influence others' opinions, but I'm upset by pictures of so-called 'Charter Boats' who specialise in mass catches over a long trip ... Whitby springs to mind; as does Weymouth (Channel trips etc).

 

I like to eat fish; but do you really need to put 50 kilos each in a freezer .... many of which are still there??

 

Bag limits are coming ... GOOD!

 

Otherwise localised 'impact' and commercial brothers' concerns WILL bring in quotas/regulation and closed fisheries.

 

[barry luxton]

You fellahs are so 'touchy', I'm not sure if that is a criticism aimed at me?

 

I don't set any bag limits, but I never keep more than I need (and I don't sell).

 

Personally, I was put off southern England wrecking, when I had to take 140lbs of pollack fillets out of Lymington .... when I'd much rather have fished with that skipper for a mixture of 2 or 3 of each species we could lock horns with.

(I gave the whole lot to an old folks home in Eastleigh. 2 dustbin bags full)

 

I've never been wrecking since.

 

I don't intend to influence others' opinions, but I'm upset by pictures of so-called 'Charter Boats' who specialise in mass catches over a long trip ... Whitby springs to mind; as does Weymouth (Channel trips etc).

 

I like to eat fish; but do you really need to put 50 kilos each in a freezer .... many of which are still there??

 

Bag limits are coming ... GOOD!

 

Otherwise localised 'impact' and commercial brothers' concerns WILL bring in quotas/regulation and closed fisheries.

 

 

You didn't have to take those fillets, you could have stopped fishing if you was so inclined or ask the skipper to go back in to catch some mackerel. Once or twice a year if you are lucky that all things like tide, wind and the correct date is set, so don't tell me that this is offensive, it aint to me. And i give a lot of it away to my mates, like i have said, you can't buy it in the shops, so whats wrong with that. Mine is fresher than a scabby mongers slab.

 

So you are quite happy to put your hand in your pocket to pay for all these new regs are you. in particular where the complaining commercial get additional cod quota last year, you are happy to see the rsa set bag limits.

I have done alderney trips, bloody marvellous they are, good for business over there and the charter boats business as well and you want to see that being affected, by introducing limits. Last two trips, the first one i caught four turbot, two released, the last one, none at all. Like i said, wind, tide and the correct date. Can't wait for the next one and the next, without interference. Sod off eu and get your own house in order before trying to f@ck up our hobby, it ain't broke.

Edited March 24, 2009 by barry luxton

[glennk]

You had to take the fish HA ?? Who made you and what means did they use to ensure you never returned the fish ? Did your conscience not tell you that the best thing to do with Pollock is to return them other than a few for your own use ?

[wildcard]

I agree with both of the comments above mine. In my view the anglers who go on these extended trips are specimen hunters trying to beat the own personal best fish and not freezer fillers. These trips offer adventure and camaraderie to anglers who often build lasting frienships and I would love to go on one myself.

 

Alan

[H.A.]

You had to take the fish HA ?? Who made you and what means did they use to ensure you never returned the fish ? Did your conscience not tell you that the best thing to do with Pollock is to return them other than a few for your own use ?

 

 

You cheeky sod.

 

Have you tried putting pollack back in 200' of water.

 

My actions that day, never to be voluntarily repeated, were purely the whim of the Skipper who said that the anglers, on the day, wanted drift after drift over pollack wrecks.

 

I vote with my feet.

 

[Guest challenge]

As most of you know, I worked for a few years with the late John Brennan on the chieftain, we did long range trips, people paying a lot of money to spend days at sea enjoying the experience of spending time at sea meeting new people sharing there experiences and (yes) hopefully catching plenty of fresh prime fish.

I totally agree with Allan about it being an experience for customers.

There certainly was the anglers who wanted to fill up there freezers while they where there, but the majority of them where there for the fishing rather than just the fish.

I filleted tons and tons of fish in the time I was there for our customers but I can say most certainly that there wouldn’t have been a customer who would have made a profit from his fishing experiences with us.

You got the good trips that produced bumper catches the same as all angling boats do but when you average things out it still would have been a very expensive way of purchasing fish.

John always use to say to me “that if you got good weather for the trip you had already broken the back on the way to making it an enjoyable trip” catch a bit of fish to go towards that experience and you where on to a winner, have a bumper trip and they (the anglers) would be re-booking before they left the boat.

We also had plenty of anglers who where quit happy to return the majority of there fish, but they had the choice and I never did see an angler complain about a paying customer taking to much fish.

One of the attractions of RSA must be that (at present) we have that choice; unfortunately I think that choice is going to be taken away from us.

If you think that that’s a good thing H.A then I suppose that is your choice.

Regards.

[glennk]

You cheeky sod.

 

Have you tried putting pollack back in 200' of water.

 

My actions that day, never to be voluntarily repeated, were purely the whim of the Skipper who said that the anglers, on the day, wanted drift after drift over pollack wrecks.

 

I vote with my feet.

 

 

 

Chill down a bit mate. I only really fish for them from my Yak and the odd uptiding and shadding trip. I give away most of the cod I catch.. Will that be the next thing to be regulated ?

[FireFly]

I don't intend to influence others' opinions, but I'm upset by pictures of so-called 'Charter Boats' who specialise in mass catches over a long trip ... Whitby springs to mind; as does Weymouth (Channel trips etc).

 

I like to eat fish; but do you really need to put 50 kilos each in a freezer .... many of which are still there??

 

Bag limits are coming ... GOOD!

 

Otherwise localised 'impact' and commercial brothers' concerns WILL bring in quotas/regulation and closed fisheries.

 

 

Everyone to their own mate but to be honest I believe most boat anglers go not for the 'mass catches' but hopefully to catch a fish of a better stamp than one caught from the shore and if you are on a boat, with an experienced skipper like those in Whitby then you won't draw a 'blank' as often happens when fishing from the shore.

 

Also fishing from a boat out of the likes of Whitby then you always stand the chance of catching a 'record' or close to one.

Every area has it's own good class of fish, Whitby has Cod, so that's why guys will go for an extended trip, not to catch a boat load. If you were to ask many boat anglers I think most would give up their entire catch for just one fish that was either a record or near it. A few ports round the coast have that ability, that's why some are more popular than others.

 

I used to boat fish a lot but due to my health and also, (the main reason), is that I was ALWAYS sea-sick, not that it bothered me but seemed to bother everyone else....One starts, they all start etc!!! lol

I never went to 'bag up' but to enjoy a day out with the lads, have a laugh and hopefully a few fish.

If you just want fish then a trip to the 'fishmongers' would probably work out a lot cheaper and less time consuming.

:-)

[H.A.]

Will that be the next thing to be regulated ?

 

Everything will be regulated.

 

That's what Governments and Civvy Servants are for.

 

Without it, the UK would have 15 millions unemployed.

 

One of my mate's favourite expression is -

"That's life .... can't change it."

 

I actually think you can influence/moderate regulationism.

 

That's what gets me about the apathetic anglers in this country -

 

"We don't want no regulation ... just another brick in the wall."

 

 

[Leon Roskilly]

Today is a big day for article 47.

 

They are voting on proposed amendments (maybe even removal of article 47!) this afternoon in Brussels.