Hunting Ban

[chesters1]

thank goodness for the wolves ,hopefully rover and his pals are kept on leads

[kleinboet]

In answer over my "mad rant": There are people on this very forum who could tell you what happens when they go out to shoot the foxes that are causing trouble.

As to civil liberies being curtailed, lets not talk rubbish, if this law was brought in before the indigenous bears and wolves were eradicated we would have them today and not just be talking about them.

If I turned to you tomorrow and said that I will be scuba diving and spearfishing all the fish in the rivers, you would be up in arms.

 

NEWT - I meant proponents!

I have seen the film of the fox being torn to pieces by the dogs and was sickened by it.

Chesters, in answer to your postings:

Yes in Africa there are NATURAL predators which kill to EAT. The fox in this country is labelled as a sheep killer but has anyone thought about how many rodents etc the fox kills. As to killing sheep, who has cut down the hedgerows and changed the land so that the small mammals have been drastically diminished.

Your posting about hunting verses shooting does not hold water. You mention that shooting a fox could leave 6 cubs to die - Doesn't the hunt do exactly the same thing!! And I thought the idea of shooting foxes was to keep the numbers DOWN!!

 

[ 17. February 2005, 08:51 PM: Message edited by: kleinboet ]

[Guest sslatter]

ginger: "the ban is yet another erosion of civil liberty..."

 

Yep. Where will it end? They've already banned cockfighting, dogfighting, badgerbaiting, and even drink-driving!! I suppose they'll be banning paedophilia next..what? Oh..

 

ginger: "What about the wholesale carnage wrought on wildlife by the car and thus by all drivers including animan rights activists - foxes, badgers, pheasants, deer, rabbits, hares, frogs, toads and birds of all sorts, this is barbarism that is avoidable -"

 

Too true ginger- and don't forget the urban wildlife carnage caused by the domestic cat. I've always said that there's a simple solution to the foxhunting problem- let them hunt cats instead, then you'd see some urban wildlife regeneration.

[captain cojones]

chesters1:

,hopefully rover and his pals are kept on leads

if not the wolves will soon get them!!!

[Cranfield]

"Your posting about hunting verses shooting does not hold water. You mention that shooting a fox could leave 6 cubs to die - Doesn't the hunt do exactly the same thing!! And I thought the idea of shooting foxes was to keep the numbers DOWN!!"

 

There is no season for shooting foxes.

There is no season for poisoning foxes.

There is no season for gassing foxes.

There is no season for snaring/trapping foxes.

All perfectly legal.

 

Foxes are not hunted with hounds during their breeding season.

[kleinboet]

Cranfield - given that the hunt say that the reason they hunt is to CONTROL the fox population (their words - not mine!) you have me totally confused: Two words - WHY NOT?

[chesters1]

hunting doesnt take place when cubs are too small to fend for themselves there is a seasonal time in fox hunting it doesent carry on all year.

yes i too have seen the film and was just as sickened as you but i can assure you it is a very rare occurence indeed and as i said their not going to show hundreds of films showing foxes evading the hounds or being killed swiftly as 99.9% do.

foxes are not in short supply their different to wolves and bears ,bears kill people so people killed the bears (bears hibernate so rely on easy meat to fatten up on they cant kill deer so they rely on humans to feed them)they killed domestic animals as most animals are domesticated another reason to kill them.

wolves kill sheep ,but wolves also are naturally afraid of humans ,so rather than man killing all the wolves the wolves retreated from man untill the gene pool couldnt support their species and they declined ,england is far different from america or even spain even nowadays theres plenty of "wild " places that wolves can live their lives ,in england their isnt and whilst i wouldnt say man wasent involved in the demise of wolves directly (killing them) they certainly did in creating a situation where they couldnt survive as a species.

yes foxes do cause trouble ,they dont kill sheep they may on occasion take young lambs but only if the mother isnt attentive or the lamb is too sickly to follow the mother ,in this case the fox provides a service ,most foxes seen by unbiased shepherds running off with something in its mouth finds its either the afterbirth or a born dead or sickly lamb, a sheep (and they are very good mothers) can easily see of a fox just as they can if annoyed anything else.

as i said shooting does work (i have never ever stated in any post that hunting is a fox control method even remotly equal to shooting) in fact shooting is extremly effective (as is snaring or poisening) and as i have posted before (and included the paragraph within the post) after WW1 in the south there were no foxes ,all had been shot by farmers and infact the south was restocked by foxes from scotland PURELY for fox hunting so rather than pick on fox hunters for being cruel to foxes they actually protect the foxes you see.

when (if) haunting is banned rather than seeing pretty foxes gambolling in the hedgerows you will find them only in zoos (at least in england) the once protectors of the fox now defunct and the farms and estates once supporting foxes for the hunt having no reason to keep them on their land.

so what are we after? banning fox hunting or banning foxes.

the anti's say their protecting the fox just as they did when they "protected" mink unfortunatly in the case of the fox it will mean no more foxes and in the case of the mink lots of mink but very little else!

so let the people in pinks chase foxes at least they provide the foxes to chase and the untold number that never see a hunt at all.

hunting does control foxes in the long run without fox hunting there is no need for foxes

 

[ 17. February 2005, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: chesters1 ]

[Cranfield]

Its not sporting to hunt immature cubs, pregnant or nursing vixens.

I use the word "sporting" in its correct context.

[Guest sslatter]

chesters1: "..when (if) haunting is banned.."

 

What? They're gonna ban ghosts now? That's it, I've had enough. I'm emigrating to Iraq. At least you know where you stand with a fundamentalist muslim and his kalashnikov.

 

[ 17. February 2005, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: Graham X ]

[*Ant*]

Why don't we all arrange a fish-in at a large lake. We could then all jump in at one end beating and thrashing the water with our rods as we make our way across the water. Once we have all the fish cornered with no escape we could net the fish, rip them to pieces and smoother the blood on our children as a welcome to angling.

 

Lets get real, the fox hunting mob have had their sick fun, it should have been consigned to the history books decades ago.

 

BTW - Don't we have laws against anti-social mob behaviour these days anyhow.