Bring back River Bailiffs

[Brian Carragher]

Must have missed this first time around and it interesting to see how my thoughts seem to be the same as the majority on here so far

 

This might interest you though http://www.ne-fishing.co.uk/forum.php?view...0&page_no=1

 

Its a topic from a local site to the North East and is worth a read, it tends to be a lot of me so be warned, Ade on there is Adrian Ellis former manager for the Cemex fisheries the protaganist is someone from our area somewhere and shows how viewpoints are a little strangled and narrow and how xenophobic some folk can be whilst conducting an agenda

[Anderoo]

Assumption? Sorry if i thought you saying you hated something meant you aren't to keen on it.

 

And no your stand isn't to clear, to me anyway. On one hand you seem to hate angling being seen in the same category as hunting and shooting and on the other you want it that way. I'm not assuming any thing there Anderoo, Just trying to understand where an angler that post different views to mine you are coming from/hoping to go to.

 

 

It matters Anderoo because If anglers can't stand together or at least find some common ground i believe we will see the end of angling, in this country anyway.

 

Fair enough Lutra, I don't want to get into an argument with you. I thought my views were pretty clear from the quotes I gave. The point about standing together is pretty much moot I'm afraid, it hasn't happened yet and I don't think it ever will. The best chance we've had so far is all joining forces under the banner of the Angling Trust, but nobody seems to want to. As a previous mamber of the ACA I joined so that Fish Legal can hopefully carry on their work. I'm not sure what else I can do really.

 

The problem is that (unlike most other sports/pastimes) angling is so hugely diverse. The fact is that a matchman who fishes commercials probably has virtually no common ground with a pike specialist in the fens, or any other combination you can think of. People selfishly guard their own little idea of fishing and couldn't care less about what happens to other anglers. As you say, it's a huge problem.

[Dick Dastardly]

I think you need to have some form of regional Rivers Authority again at the very minimum - the Environment Agency just simply has too large a remit with too few people.

 

Several have said similar but I was allways underthe impression that other than a change of name and the sensible introduction of a national licence there was very little change when the EA came into being? Its still administered in regions and certainly the same faces held the same positions.

 

Lack of manpower/funding has always been there it just seems that the management of these limited resources is either no longer so well run or the priotities for them have changed.

[gozzer]

Must have missed this first time around and it interesting to see how my thoughts seem to be the same as the majority on here so far

 

This might interest you though http://www.ne-fishing.co.uk/forum.php?view...0&page_no=1

 

Its a topic from a local site to the North East and is worth a read, it tends to be a lot of me so be warned, Ade on there is Adrian Ellis former manager for the Cemex fisheries the protaganist is someone from our area somewhere and shows how viewpoints are a little strangled and narrow and how xenophobic some folk can be whilst conducting an agenda

 

I think you showed great restaint in your replies Brian, although your head must hurt from it's contact with the brick wall so often.

 

'Cherry picking' words from a post, then twisting their meaning to suit, seems to be the norm for some.

 

It's typical of posts I've seen on many forums, " I don't like it, I don't do it, so ban it", or "someones breaking the laws we already have, so let's make some more laws", (for them to break).

 

Many anglers don't seem to be able to 'think outside their own little box', or are so in awe of some 'named celebs' that they believe everything they say must be right.

 

As for those that think angling is safe from any attack. Can you get rose tinted polaroids?

 

John.

[Brian Carragher]

I'm glad to see you took the time to read it John

 

Seems that there are plenty of nuggets up here in our part of the world as well, some of those on that other site come on here but you know what, they never have the strength of their own convictions to repeat the same on here, wonder why?

 

More and newer regulation won't work neither will twisting words or making up scenes to suit their viewpoints, the only thing that will work is more enforcement officers to back up the laws we already have

[chesters1]

Assumption? Sorry if i thought you saying you hated something meant you aren't to keen on it.

 

And no your stand isn't to clear, to me anyway. On one hand you seem to hate angling being seen in the same category as hunting and shooting and on the other you want it that way. I'm not assuming any thing there Anderoo, Just trying to understand where an angler that post different views to mine you are coming from/hoping to go to.

 

 

It matters Anderoo because If anglers can't stand together or at least find some common ground i believe we will see the end of angling, in this country anyway.

we've had this conversation a score of times ,anglers will never stand together! power ,influence and self importance cannot function that way

this is amusing (not sure who said it in the thread)

 

"I think it was Chris Yates who compared modern angling with war - batteries of rods, all camo'd up, with a definite enemy in mind. As much as I find hunting and shooting distasteful, I have to say that many aspects of modern fishing are even less defensible, as they don't actually achieve anything. I'm thinking primarily of overstocked artificial lakes."

 

and tweed isnt a uniform (good camo as well) and stalking isnt different from sniping ,stalking just hunting and few lakes are not artificial ,yates always was a plonker

everyone doesnt walk around in tweed its the uniform of the country land owner borrowed by the peasant to make people believe they're the land owner

Edited September 6, 2009 by chesters1

[gozzer]

I'm glad to see you took the time to read it John

 

Seems that there are plenty of nuggets up here in our part of the world as well, some of those on that other site come on here but you know what, they never have the strength of their own convictions to repeat the same on here, wonder why?

 

More and newer regulation won't work neither will twisting words or making up scenes to suit their viewpoints, the only thing that will work is more enforcement officers to back up the laws we already have

 

It's not just in your area Brian.

 

I've been trawling a few forums recently, following the reaction to the AT, and the EA proposed legislation. I must say that the interest on most, is much greater than here on AN. Maybe it's as you say, they only put a comment where it will be in line with the majority.

 

John.