Hunting and Angling.

Chris Goddard · August 14, 2002

For what it is worth Jim I believe you are correct on the rifles/birds thing. It is wildfowl that cannot be shot with a rifle, (certainly not whilst anyone is watching anyway ) or at least that is what I have always been led to believe!?! As for Shag's see the previous answer (In brackets )

Chris

RobStubbs · August 14, 2002

Jim,

You are quite probably correct with regards wildfowl but you did say 'birds'. There is a lot of diffence between birds that are classed as vermin and wildfowl/game birds, as far as the law goes.

Rob.

Jim Roper · August 14, 2002

RobStubbs:
Jim,

You are quite probably correct with regards wildfowl but you did say 'birds'. There is a lot of diffence between birds that are classed as vermin and wildfowl/game birds, as far as the law goes.

Rob.

You are right. I must have been suffering brain fade. All these night shifts must be having an effect.

I think a bow would be overkill on bullfinches. That's if they're still classed as vermin!!

Things change without the ordinary person knowing about it nowadays.

Jim Roper

Jim Roper · August 18, 2002

Nightwing:
it seems that British and American terms are rather different when it comes to the various outdoor activities......fox hunting(we would call it coursing over here), how do you all feel about hunting as it is know in the rest of the world, as in hunting for game with firearms?

Just wondering if the gulf between "hunting" as I know it, and angling is as wide in the U.K. as it seems.

Hunting in this country refers to finding quary with a hound pack.

Wildfowling in this country would be duck-hunting in the US.

Coursing in this country usually involves a pair of dogs chasing one rabbit or hare, though a lot of rabbits are caught using just one dog at night with the aid of a powerful light. The latter activity is usually referred to as 'Lamping'.

Lamping with a rifle or shotgun is also very effective on foxes and rabbits.

Rough shooting (with a shotgun)in this country would probably be called bird hunting in the US, but we would also possibly be shooting hares and rabbits along with game birds.

Shooting foxes and rabbits in this country with a rifle, would probably be called varminting in the US. We would also use shotguns for this.

Deer stalking/control in this country would be deer hunting in the US.

An american chap, who we entertained on a pheasant shoot last season, told me that, apart from having a hound pack, he and his wife also did a lot of shooting from horseback over 'pony dogs'. From how he described this, we have no equivilant.

It was certainly clear that they were more used to going away shots that driven pheasants.

I understand that it would be difficult to maintain a driven bird shoot, as we know it, in the US.

Most of the posts on these forums from this side of the pond are referring to hunting on horseback with hounds

Jim Roper

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Jim Roper · August 25, 2002

A quote from http://www.huntsabs.org.uk/

"There are three types of angling; coarse, sea and game fishing. Coarse fishing is by far the most popular and also the cruelest form of angling."

Jim Roper

http://www.huntsabs.org.uk/

Peter Waller · August 25, 2002

quote:

Originally posted by Jim Roper:

[QB]A quote from

"There are three types of angling; coarse, sea and game fishing. Coarse fishing is by far the most popular and also the cruelest form of angling."

Jim Roper

The Hunt Sabs have, in the past, stated that they see no reason to attack angling. If they have changed their policies with regard to angling then perhaps it is because of the CA's unwelcome alliance with angling that has caused this shift.

Whilst I have no sympathies with the Hunt Sabs and their methods, I have to admit it, their site adds weight to my convictions that fox hunting is unacceptable. From that point of view, a good link!

Jim Roper · August 25, 2002

Peter Waller:
The Hunt Sabs have, in the past, stated that they see no reason to attack angling. If they have changed their policies with regard to angling then perhaps it is because of the CA's unwelcome alliance with angling that has caused this shift.!

The date on the page is 1992.

Jim Roper

Peter Waller · August 25, 2002

It is certainly within the last eighteen months that the Hunt Sabs Association have publically claimed, more than once, that angling is not on their list of targets. Thats not to say that that policy won't revert back to the 1992 statement. 'Fraid I couldn't find the 1992 statement, nor the latter ones on their site.

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Jim Roper · August 25, 2002

Peter Waller:
'Fraid I couldn't find the 1992 statement, nor the latter ones on their site.

Quote

"The angling fraternity are getting worried about the reducing numbers of people, especially youngsters, taking up their pastime and have responded by organising a pro-angling week from 22nd to 30th August 1992. The idea of the week is to involve as many of the public as possible and get more media endorsement of angling. The week opens with a celebrity angling match in the Leicester area with lots of other things promised. it's a perfect opportunity to get active and make these animal abusers realise what they're up against."

Res ipsa loquitur

Jim Roper