Oh my God.

[big_cod]

Is a fish caught on rod and line worth more to local economy than a fish caught in a net that would probably apply right round the country a very interesting question its looking that wayit looks like its doing a full circle , our local fish market is shutting down here in whitby it is the end of an era it just aint viable and is losing money the ice plant has closed what trawlers are left which is 4 but 1 is more or less sold leaving 3 and the remaining will have to land at scarborough what the under 10ss will do i arent sure incredible really you would never have thought it would happen here.

 

paul.

Edited February 15, 2011 by big_cod

[Bob Shotter]

Is a fish caught on rod and line worth more to local economy than a fish caught in a net that would probably apply right round the country a very interesting question its looking that wayit looks like its doing a full circle , our local fish market is shutting down here in whitby it is the end of an era it just aint viable and is losing money the ice plant has closed what trawlers are left which is 4 but 1 is more or less sold leaving 3 and the remaining will have to land at scarborough what the under 10ss will do i arent sure incredible really you would never have thought it would happen here.

 

paul.

 

Going a bit off topic there Paul the CFP has put paid to our commercials and the only common denominator of that and the topic is the need to exit stage right from this EU and CFP rubbish pronto.

 

Out of interest as a charter skipper how do you feel about having to fill in a catch log for every fish landed on your boat and be brought into the CFP with a quota like the one that has put all them under tens out of business?

 

Tight lines Bob

[big_cod]

Going a bit off topic there Paul the CFP has put paid to our commercials and the only common denominator of that and the topic is the need to exit stage right from this EU and CFP rubbish pronto.

 

Out of interest as a charter skipper how do you feel about having to fill in a catch log for every fish landed on your boat and be brought into the CFP with a quota like the one that has put all them under tens out of business?

 

Tight lines Bob

 

Well bob can we diverse to potting or netting no, but the under 10ss can the day log books come to chartering its gone completly mad anybody who knows anything about the sea knows we do no harm to any fish stock in real terms rod +line fishing is suistainable its people trying divert away from the real problem look back to the stocks of the 70ss and the 80ss where did they go.

 

paul.

Edited February 15, 2011 by big_cod

[Bob Shotter]

Well bob can we diverse to potting or netting no, but the under 10ss can the day log books come to chartering its gone completly mad anybody who knows anything about the sea knows we do no harm to any fish stock in real terms rod +line fishing is suistainable its people trying divert away from the real problem look back to the stocks of the 70ss and the 80ss where did they go.

 

paul.

 

Don’t need to tell me Paul I know, as do any reasonable RSA chapies, but it be them left wing EU politicians what need telling. So take it your with us on this one then?

 

Tight lines Bob

[big_cod]

Don’t need to tell me Paul I know, as do any reasonable RSA chapies, but it be them left wing EU politicians what need telling. So take it your with us on this one then?

 

Tight lines Bob

 

There has been many a dabate on this forum regarding what happened in the last 30 years certain people were in full denile that some fishing practitces put great pressure on stocks it will go a full circle practices which are sustainable will make a return going back to the smaller less efficient boats and away from power machines is i am affraid is the only way to .

 

paul.

[wurzel]

Well bob can we diverse to potting or netting no, but the under 10ss can the day log books come to chartering its gone completly mad anybody who knows anything about the sea knows we do no harm to any fish stock in real terms rod +line fishing is suistainable its people trying divert away from the real problem look back to the stocks of the 70ss and the 80ss where did they go.

 

paul.

 

Where is this real problem that people are diverting from? From what you say Whitby is finished as a fishing port so no problem there Scarborough might solder on for a few years but I doubt it will be allowed to flourish and sooner or later go the same way.

 

It's plain for me to see exactly what defra are up to as the same format was used first on the big boats then on the under tens and now anglers. I wonder how many times I've heard " we need to collect accurate data to properly access how to best manage the resource" and “we have your best interests at hart, honest” So in the near future there will be more scientists and defra officials than you can shake a gaff at all clambering over them selves to collect data from rsa, along with the usual round of consultations and not forgetting plenty of meetings, the normal time period they eek it out for is about 5 years.

At the first opportunity some body needs to tell them to cut the crap and just tell you what the predetermined out come is going to be, if any defra official says he does not know, he's lying.

Edited February 15, 2011 by wurzel

[flapper]

I wouldn’t imagine that there is a shortage of fish today in the North Sea, the same as there wasn’t a shortage 20 years ago. The problem now is (like Big Cod says) there are no longer the commercial fishermen, the boats, and the quota and by the looks of things the entire infrastructure is disappearing with the industry it did support.

If there is no fishing industry left (in that part of the North Sea) how will we ever be able to truly tell what stocks there are in the North Sea? Scientific evidence and commercial reporting has been (understandably) miles apart for years.

I believe that commercial fishermen have always showed a more accurate example of what stock levels are like because that’s what there good at, locating and catching fish.

I wonder if the powers that be would really take the log books of the under 10,s or angling boats come to that seriously? It will be one of the only ways of collecting data in that part of the world, but do they need to collect it?

There seams to be plenty of fish still being caught in the northern north sea? Scottish boats that are allowed and have quota to catch fish seam to have no problem in catching what they can. Yet year after year we see reports of quota cutting? Will the northern North Sea end up the same as the southern North Sea? Plenty of fish but no body left to catch it?

Flapper

[Leon Roskilly]

There seams to be plenty of fish still being caught in the northern north sea? Scottish boats that are allowed and have quota to catch fish seam to have no problem in catching what they can.

 

 

An angler goes on holiday and spends a day fishing off the beach.

 

At some point in the day a shoal of 5,000 fish swims past and he catches 2 fish from the shoal.

 

 

Next year he does the same, the same shoal comes past he again catches 2 of them.

 

But this time from a shoal of just 2,000 fish.

 

 

 

The following year the shoal has been whitled down to just 500, but he catches 3 fish.

 

 

Next year, only 50 fish swim past and he catches 4 of them.

 

 

In the evening he meets a scientist in the pub who tries to tell him that there's less fish out there.

 

But he knows better, he caught more last year than the two previous years, and this year has been the best yet.

 

 

The fishing has never been so good!

 

 

 

It's not the number of fish being caught that tells the story of what's left beneath the waves.

 

 

Strangely fisheries that are about to collapse often offer better fishing as the remaining fish shoal tighter in a few places, rather than evenly available across a wide area, and are more vulnerable to knowledgeable skippers with increasingly efficient electronic fish-finding gizmos and gear at their disposal.

 

 

Catches maintained and even increasing catches aren't always indicitive of a sustainable or recovering fishery.

 

 

I believe that commercial fishermen have always showed a more accurate example of what stock levels are like because that’s what there good at, locating and catching fish.

 

 

Unfortunately it's their skill at doing that that can mask the problem until it becomes critical.

Edited February 15, 2011 by Leon Roskilly

[Steve Coppolo]

An angler goes on holiday and spends a day fishing off the beach.

 

At some point in the day a shoal of 5,000 fish swims past and he catches 2 fish from the shoal.

 

 

Next year he does the same, the same shoal comes past he again catches 2 of them.

 

But this time from a shoal of just 2,000 fish.

 

 

 

The following year the shoal has been whitled down to just 500, but he catches 3 fish.

 

 

Next year, only 50 fish swim past and he catches 4 of them.

 

 

In the evening he meets a scientist in the pub who tries to tell him that there's less fish out there.

 

But he knows better, he caught more last year than the two previous years, and this year has been the best yet.

 

 

The fishing has never been so good!

 

 

 

It's not the number of fish being caught that tells the story of what's left beneath the waves.

 

 

Strangely fisheries that are about to collapse often offer better fishing as the remaining fish shoal tighter in a few places, rather than evenly available across a wide area, and are more vulnerable to knowledgeable skippers with increasingly efficient electronic fish-finding gizmos and gear at their disposal.

 

 

Catches maintained and even increasing catches aren't always indicitive of a sustainable or recovering fishery.

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately it's their skill at doing that that can mask the problem until it becomes critical.

 

I've never read so much rubbish in all my life. You have managed to surpass even your previous level of clap trap with that one - and that's saying something. It's even better than the infamous overspill and contraction theories

 

What a silly old man you really are.

[Bob Shotter]

An angler goes on holiday and spends a day fishing off the beach.

 

At some point in the day a shoal of 5,000 fish swims past and he catches 2 fish from the shoal.

 

 

Next year he does the same, the same shoal comes past he again catches 2 of them.

 

But this time from a shoal of just 2,000 fish.

 

The following year the shoal has been whitled down to just 500, but he catches 3 fish.

 

 

Next year, only 50 fish swim past and he catches 4 of them.

 

 

In the evening he meets a scientist in the pub who tries to tell him that there's less fish out there.

 

But he knows better, he caught more last year than the two previous years, and this year has been the best yet.

 

 

The fishing has never been so good!

 

 

 

It's not the number of fish being caught that tells the story of what's left beneath the waves.

 

 

Strangely fisheries that are about to collapse often offer better fishing as the remaining fish shoal tighter in a few places, rather than evenly available across a wide area, and are more vulnerable to knowledgeable skippers with increasingly efficient electronic fish-finding gizmos and gear at their disposal.

 

 

Catches maintained and even increasing catches aren't always indicitive of a sustainable or recovering fishery.

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately it's their skill at doing that that can mask the problem until it becomes critical.

 

So you would agree then Leon that Data collection from RSA would be a complete waste of time and money?

 

Tight lines Bob