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[lyn]

chesters1:

havent a clue what jagb is so will any certificates that are awarded be recognised by anyone else ,get your C.R.A.S certificates here £50 each discounts for bulk

if your teaching kids dont you need a record check or is it for "others"?

Yes chesters you will have to be cleared by the Criminal Records Bureau under the 'Child Protection Policy for Angling - under the Protection for children act 1999

 

I don't think anyone should have a problem with that. I agree it will be a good thing. To work with children in any other area you have to be cleared so why not in angling.

 

The problem here, according to the 'Plan', unless you become a licenced coach you are NOT to teach kids and if you do you will be publicly exposed'

 

lyn

[chesters1]

a case of another group telling the few what they can and cant do

we have polititions to tell us what to do ,not puffed up groups as well .

if they have to pass the record search all well and good ,but pedo`s are clever if theve not been caught there not on the record

sounds like a perv`s paradise to me

[Steve Burke]

lyn:

Originally posted by chesters1:

[qb]The problem here, according to the 'Plan', unless you become a licenced coach you are NOT to teach kids and if you do you will be publicly exposed'

 

lyn

Does this apply to those who do so without payment?

[Leon Roskilly]

Does this apply to those who do so without payment?

 

I help out with a teach-in each year, organised by the Canterbury PAC.

 

Less formally, I am often asked for advice about mullet fishing by local kids met upon the local piers, I guess that my demonstration and advice could be referred to as 'coching'.

 

So where does that leave the local PAC teach-ins?

 

Where does that leave an angler showing a kid the proper way to hook a couple of maggots?

 

Tight Lines - leon

 

[ 16. September 2002, 07:49 AM: Message edited by: Leon Roskilly ]

[phil hackett]

lyn:

Hi Phil long time since we 'debated' together!!

 

I have read with interest this thread about the different angling Governing Bodies and yet nowhere is there a mention of the JAGB (Joint Angling Governing Bodies)

 

Now according to a letter sent to Les Webber of Angling Projects from Malcolm Hanson S&TA Development Officer, he states that Quote " The problem for Sport England was the notion that angling was a sport with not one, but three Governing Bodies. To address the anomaly the three governing bodies, the NFA, the NFSA and the S&TA came together as the JAGB. This was a voluntary liason requiring no electoral procedure." (Les had ask in a letter when & who had elected the members.)

 

Now according to the letter for the past 2 years JAGB has set about delivering the 'National Angling Development Plan.' If they have been going that long how come they are not mentioned on the Sport England site as a recognised GB???

 

In this development plan the 2 issues that concern me and will many others no doubt, well one of the 2 as I, personally would like to know what the 'Ethics' are to women in angling!

 

My main concern is the coaching as it clearly states that unless you are a licensed, qualified coach then you are NOT permitted to teach juniors.

 

(It is quite long & if anyone would like a copy please email me and I will send you one. )

 

Now as some of you are aware I organise a few junior events to encourage juniors into our sport.

 

Angling Projects has around 2000 youngsters though it's gate each year. Les and his team run the centre on a voluntary basis, no one is paid, the kids stay and fish there for free!

 

Now Les is considering closing the gates over this whole issue. I must add that this has nothing to do with the new 'Child Protection Policy.' Projects Team have always been police checked and work very closly with the police and social services. As a parent I have no objection to it.

 

What I have to find out is if I can still run junior events. I can not afford to go through the coaching scheme. I do it all for nothing other than the love of angling.

 

What has really got my back up over this letter is the final paragraph, quote" However, initiatives that do not commit themselves to that plan will, with the support of Sport England, be exposed, and the reasons for non-endorsement will be publicy announced" un quote.

 

What the hell are they going to public announce Les for??? doing what he has done for over 25 years, get kids off the streets and fishing!!!

 

If this is angling governing bodies tactics than I am sorry but I am NOT impressed.

 

I shall be writing to Malcolm Hanson to try and see where I stand. I had kids at the open day I ran for Farnham AS this month, fishing and catching fish. One lad about 12-13 yrs old had just caught as I walked up, the look on his face said it all and the "That was wicked!" I smiled as I had achieved what I had set out to do that day.

 

I had got a kid 'hooked on fishing'

 

These kids and many more are not going to be given the chance to try as so many in my opinion will not bother to help juniors if the JAGB are going to adopt that sort of attitude.

 

Is there anyone on here that is on the JAGB that could answer questions, according to the letter it is made up from members of the other 3 GBs?

 

Over to you Phil

 

lyn

Lyn was the above direct at this Phil for answering?

 

If not I do apologise, and who is the pretender to my signature?

 

If it is, I’m at a loss as to why you are directing such questions at me :confused: :confused: :confused: As I only presented the facts as to why specialist angling needed to create its own structure of representation and the evolution thereafter.

 

As to the rest of you post, “I couldn’t possibly comment,” as I have no knowledge of what you’ve wrote. Other than the Child protection aspect of it, and would fully endorse your comments on it.

[lyn]

Hi Phil, yes it was directed at you as whenever I have posted you always have something to say

 

Please don't take that the wrong way, I truly hope that one day we meet, if/when we do I just hope I get a warmer welcome from you than the ones I had from Chris B & David B It was just my warped sense of humour that made me put your name!

 

This debate is open to all as it really concerns me that juniors are going to be the ones to suffer here.

 

Leon - These are the questions I will ask Malcolm Hanson as it is not made clear in the letter. Other than the threat at the end!!!

 

Bruno - You are on the NAA committee, I am sure you must be able to answer some of my questions.

 

lyn

[Peter Waller]

As important as Lyn' s thread on coaching is, its worth a separate thread, I must go back the the main subject, the NFA, and the RSSG.

 

As some of you must now be aware there has been a major bust up between the RSSG and the SAA. A lengthy posting on AN has explained all the ins and outs. Okay, so its a one sided affair, but the facts, I believe, are the facts.

 

It has been said that the NAA is not open to individual membership because anglers can join a club that is affiliated to the SAA. Is that so? I joined the RSSG but it appears that since the RSSG secretary was not invited to the last SAA committee meeting that RSSG members can not have had their interests considered, nor their interests carried over to the NAA.

 

I do belong to another club that is affiliated to the SAA, I shall be writing to the secretary suggesting that the club resigns from the SAA in protest at the way the RSSG has been treated.

 

I'm quite prepared to accept that Lee is a bit of an outspoken 'firebrand', but angling needs a few of those in its midst. The way the SAA has treated the RSSG, its members and its officers, is, I think, nothing short of shameful.

 

The NFA made me welcome in its midst. I can heartilly recommend that others join it. The NFA has the capacity to work for us, if we care to join it.

[Newt]

lyn:

... I am 'curious' to know firstly 'why' there should even be 'Ethics' for Women in Angling' and just how many women wrote them!!!

Lyn - I have noticed over the years that a woman of equal ability and often with less technical knowledge or state-of-the-art gear will outfish a man.

 

This is obviously unacceptable, unethical, unkind, unfair, and most any other "un" you can think of.

 

Since women have persisted in this "un" behavior, a guidance document of some sort is evidently needed.

 

Since a document with "Ethics" in the title is powerful and difficult to refute without seeming "unethical", I think the idea was brilliant.

 

As to having women involved in the drafting of the document - well really!!!

 

And in closing, let me say, "Go get em girl!!!".

[Newt]

Peter Waller:

... As some of you must now be aware there has been a major bust up between the RSSG and the SAA. A lengthy posting on AN has explained all the ins and outs. Okay, so its a one sided affair, but the facts, I believe, are the facts....

Peter - let me add a little to the single comment I made on the RSSG/SAA post. There certainly was a lengthy posting. And IMO a very rambling posting. There were lots of pieces in there that may well qualify as "fact" but I read the thing several times and still have problems making any real, coherent sense of it.

 

I read well and usually with comprehension. Even stuff written by the legal community.

 

This one though - maybe it makes perfect sense if one is fully aware of the circumstances before hand.

 

Otherwise, I may not be the only one who said to myself, during the course of reading the posting, such things as:

 

Huh??

 

He is doing what? Well why?

 

Dang - that seems like overreaction.

 

Well, I think two folks just quit one group because they are upset with another group.

Maybe I'm missing something here.

 

Huh???

 

They should maybe have gotten you or lyn or Bruno or Steve Burke or even chesters1 to write the thing. I always understand what you (and lots of others not specifically named) are saying. Not "why" always but always "what".

 

[ 16. September 2002, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: Newt ]

[lyn]

Newt what would I do in this mainly s*** life of mine if I didn't have you to bring a smile to my face

 

Women rule OK

 

lyn