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Exactly my view to! It obviously doesn't put them off but I'm still (by the fact no one I know has ever seen a bream regurgitate/pass hemp no matter how much has been used)

 

I've had Bream poop hemp on me and my landing net. The not liking hemp thing is one of the few opinions I disagree with which are held by much better anglers then me. I would find it hard to Bream fish with out it, but then again I tend to view Tench/Bream fishing as being much the same. So maybe there are two things I disagree about with more accomplished anglers :D

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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I've had Bream poop hemp on me and my landing net.

 

 

Thats interesting Steve,anyone else?

 

Care to expand on this a bit more mate?

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And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Its hard to make any comment other than, "well done Mate", without it sounding like sour grapes.

Although I laud the catch and the captor, as that is a great achievement, I am surprised nobody has commented on the weight of the spawn that fish is obviously carrying.

 

I have always felt a little cheated when catching a really good fish, only to find it is full of spawn.

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Thats interesting Steve,anyone else?

 

Care to expand on this a bit more mate?

 

Back when I was a lad :D I used to fish a few waters Wrighton Pit - Nazing, Hollow Ponds - Epping Forest and the Walthamstow Reservoir complex. This was before I had any interest in Carp or could afford expensive baits boilies/ branded groundbaits etc and so my baiting would be with cheap stuff and so my approach would be plain crumb, sweet corn, hemp and tiger nuts. I was fishing for shoal Bream and Tench in the 3-6 lb bracket and on these venues I would catch a mixed bag of both (Which has kind of effected my thinking of Bream/Tench fishing being one and the same)

 

At both Wrightons/Hollow Ponds I have had Bream clearly excrete full hemp seeds in the net or while holding them on a number of occasions. Whether they were passing them undigested because they don't like them or they have no value to them I don't know. But by accident or design they clearly suck them up. Oddly even though I had fished Walthamstow Reservoirs many more times then the other venues with the same approach, It only happened twice there and I fished it for around 12 years. Strangly I had never had Tench excrete them which may point to them digesting them fully.

 

Jedibond used to fish the same three venues as me and so if he see's this he may be able to comment whether it had happened to him. It was only when I joined AN that I even become aware that a lot of serious Bream anglers don't rate hemp for Bream. My thoughts are based on the fact that I tend to catch Bream when I use a lot of hemp. I don't know whether they pick it out or just hoover it up with the other particles and so then excrete it to get rid of it.

 

I certainly would not choose to fish hemp on a hook for Bream but have caught some decent bags of Bream as a nipper over beds of hemp with only a few grains of corn mixed in. With out money to burn as a kid you can make a small tin of jolly green giant last all day and so my thought are that the hemp was holding them. Other anglers near by would have tonnes of good quality baits, so surely they would be attracted to the better bait?

 

I fish a commercial water occasionaly with Paula and mix two lots of groundbait, one for me without hemp and one for her with it as she enjoys catching plenty of fish while I am happy to wait it out for a big Carp and no matter which swims we fish and they will be next to each other, she will bag up on loads of Bream over the hemp. Although on these occasions it may well be the fish meal that attracts them but still I don't get as many. Last year on this venue while ghilling and unhooking a 6lb Bream for Paula, I had one poop hemp on me. At least Paula got a laugh out of it :rolleyes:

 

I think they like it or at least will consume it in large amounts, I have found clean looking hemp in nets before but can not comment whether it was coughed up or just me being messy and dropping it on the net.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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I talked to Ken at Wingham about the whole hemp thing, and he reckoned it's as simple as bream on some waters love hemp, bream on some waters are fairly ambivalent, and bream on some waters really don't like it. Enough have been caught at Wingham over bait including hemp (including my accidental one while tench fishing) to convince me the Wingham bream either like it or don't care either way.

 

I also think that the issue of quantity is key here. Mixing in a couple of pints of hemp into a bucket of particles/groundbait is one thing, putting down a bed of gallons of the stuff is quite another. If bream like it you may as well do the latter as it's very cheap...

 

I'm with Budgie as usual though. If you take the stance that one of the main things to get right is avoiding catching the other species (my view) why include something that's absolutely loved by both tench and carp?

 

On the other hand, if you are trying to achieve a baited area that relies on sheer physical presence, bulking it out with some cheap hemp is a good way to do that. (As long as the shoal tench don't find it.)

 

Also, if they aren't repelled by it but don't really want to eat it, it might make them work harder looking through the mix to find something they do want to eat, thereby intensifying the feeding and giving you a little bit more of a chance.

 

On my last session I did add a couple of pints of hemp to my bream mix for those reasons, as the tench were totally switched off and I knew I wasn't going to get hammered by them.

 

PS Ken's PB of 19lb+ was caught on a few grains of fake hemp over a bed of only hemp, on a water where they loved it. So it seems like there's no single rule for it, and I expect most people's opinions are set by the one or two waters where they fish for big bream.

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Back when I was a lad :D I used to fish a few waters Wrighton Pit - Nazing, Hollow Ponds - Epping Forest and the Walthamstow Reservoir complex. This was before I had any interest in Carp or could afford expensive baits boilies/ branded groundbaits etc and so my baiting would be with cheap stuff and so my approach would be plain crumb, sweet corn, hemp and tiger nuts. I was fishing for shoal Bream and Tench in the 3-6 lb bracket and on these venues I would catch a mixed bag of both (Which has kind of effected my thinking of Bream/Tench fishing being one and the same)

 

At both Wrightons/Hollow Ponds I have had Bream clearly excrete full hemp seeds in the net or while holding them on a number of occasions. Whether they were passing them undigested because they don't like them or they have no value to them I don't know. But by accident or design they clearly suck them up. Oddly even though I had fished Walthamstow Reservoirs many more times then the other venues with the same approach, It only happened twice there and I fished it for around 12 years. Strangly I had never had Tench excrete them which may point to them digesting them fully.

 

Jedibond used to fish the same three venues as me and so if he see's this he may be able to comment whether it had happened to him. It was only when I joined AN that I even become aware that a lot of serious Bream anglers don't rate hemp for Bream. My thoughts are based on the fact that I tend to catch Bream when I use a lot of hemp. I don't know whether they pick it out or just hoover it up with the other particles and so then excrete it to get rid of it.

 

I certainly would not choose to fish hemp on a hook for Bream but have caught some decent bags of Bream as a nipper over beds of hemp with only a few grains of corn mixed in. With out money to burn as a kid you can make a small tin of jolly green giant last all day and so my thought are that the hemp was holding them. Other anglers near by would have tonnes of good quality baits, so surely they would be attracted to the better bait?

 

I fish a commercial water occasionaly with Paula and mix two lots of groundbait, one for me without hemp and one for her with it as she enjoys catching plenty of fish while I am happy to wait it out for a big Carp and no matter which swims we fish and they will be next to each other, she will bag up on loads of Bream over the hemp. Although on these occasions it may well be the fish meal that attracts them but still I don't get as many. Last year on this venue while ghilling and unhooking a 6lb Bream for Paula, I had one poop hemp on me. At least Paula got a laugh out of it :rolleyes:

 

I think they like it or at least will consume it in large amounts, I have found clean looking hemp in nets before but can not comment whether it was coughed up or just me being messy and dropping it on the net.

 

I just saw this whilst searching for something else completely by accident !

 

I did have the same thing happen to me on quite a few occasions but to be honest, I didn't really take much notice of it at the time. Now that you mention it though, what you, Andew and Budgie are saying does seem to make sense. It could well depend on the water, some do like it and some don't so I suppose you would need to find out what sort of baits bream on different waters prefer.

Ian

 

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