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true !whale sharks are extremely hard to catch around here.

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In the spirit of exam season:

 

The largest fish are the most difficult to catch.

 

Discuss.

 

Rich

 

Not being a 'true' specimen hunter, I have limited experience of really big fish, (although that in itself is relative to the water being fished).

I would think that it's true, if only for the fact that nature made it so that there are, (or should be), far fewer 'big' fish than small ones. So, in terms of mere chance, a small fish is more likely to take your bait than a large one. Assuming that the bait was suitable of course.

If you were asking whether they are harder to catch, now than in the past, then I would have to say no, because there are more 'big' fish about now.

 

If I was pushed to give a simple answer, it would have to be.....sometimes. :D

 

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I don't think big fish are any more difficult to catch than small fish, all things being equal, but as there are far fewer big fish than small fish, you are much more unlikely to catch a big fish in normal circumstances.

 

People with amazing PBs are not usually amazing anglers - they fish places that contain more big fish than other waters and are competent enough to catch some.

 

(By big I mean big for the water compared to the average.)

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Hooking big fish can be more difficult both because they are not as common and because they have become wary with age.

 

However, once you hook them, landing them is not much different than landing a smaller one (assuming you have good tackle) so I suppose it all comes down to what you mean by "catch".

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The largest fish are the most difficult to catch.

 

It may appear that the largest fish are more difficult to catch but I would question the above statement. Some anglers may almost attribute extra cunning or abilities to large fish that I dispute exist. A large fish is no more easy or harder to catch then a small one, it's just that the probability of catching smaller fish is higher due to the larger number of them being present. In any balanced eco-system there is likely to be more smaller fish then large ones with the numbers present dropping as the size of the individual fish increases. So the chances are you will catch more small fish then large ones and so it may well appear that the largest fish are the hardest to catch because they do not get caught as often.

 

If you had a one acre body of water and put 5 fish in it of various sizes with all things being equal then you would have the same chance of catching the biggest as the smallest. In nature this scenario does not happen and you would have a pyramid of stocks with plenty of small fish at the bottom and a few large fish at the top falsely suggesting that the largest fish are harder to catch.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Thinking about it, in some cases the biggest fish can be the easiest to catch. It is possible to refine techniques and tactics that are selective. Fishing blind for the biggest carp in the lake is likely to take a while, fishing by sight and stalking that particular fish, if you have the skill, is clearly much more selective.

 

When fishing blind, I think catching the bigger specimens of certain species is down to stubborness and a little slice of luck. If you have a group of fish of various sizes feeding on a patch of bait, whichever one picks up your bait is pretty much a lottery. Get the biggest, you've been lucky, get the smallest you've been unlucky, but to get one at all you've done just as well either way.

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When fishing blind, I think catching the bigger specimens of certain species is down to stubborness and a little slice of luck. If you have a group of fish of various sizes feeding on a patch of bait, whichever one picks up your bait is pretty much a lottery. Get the biggest, you've been lucky, get the smallest you've been unlucky, but to get one at all you've done just as well either way.

 

I think Anderoo has sussed my fishing style :D

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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In the spirit of exam season:

 

The largest fish are the most difficult to catch.

 

Discuss.

 

Rich

just for the sake of it if the swim has been prepared properly and your fishing for fish that shoal then catching the biggest one in the shoal should be quite easy as they will be competing and the biggest usually win, it's the big solitary fish that are hard to catch.

 

i would add that what i know about carp fishing could be written on a pin head and the same for commercials too, so what i think may have zero application

Give a man a fish and he will live for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will live forever

 

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Can we not look at this a bit more scientifically? I'm pretty sure the records of how many times big carp are caught over the years is recorded (Two Tone springs to mind?) does the frequency of it's capture rate change throughout the years? You may need to factor in changes in the amount of people fishing the venue but you should be able to get a pretty good colleration one way or another.

 

Does anyone have records for the capture of a specific fish going back quite a few years?

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