4 Muslim Women who attack a White Woman are spared Jail.

[Sportsman]

Ahhhh...But were they Christians?????

 

To be honest I never got around to asking them

 

I can't honestly remember thinking that was how I would have described them after the event. I wonder how they would have described themselves

[Now there's a right un.]

Now there's a right un.

 

Tread carefully you will be branded a racist posting stuff like that.

 

 

 

@ Andrew

I am a long way from being a racist.

However, seeing the way in which there seems to be a multi layered justice system in the UK people such as I could easily be pushed into that group.

 

Everything I had posted above was factual.

 

Another example:

A white man and a black woman traded insults. Some racial some not.

It was recorded on Video phone and proven beyond doubt the woman started it, also proven that she vented the first racial insult and the most racial insults, yet only the white man was charged with racial offences.

All he did, which was recorded, was tell her to shut her dirty black mouth.

The Police said the recording was inadmissable as evidence.

 

Makes you laugh when other cases are tried and won on recordings.

 

He lost his job, his marraige, his home, his kids and probably his life as I haven't seen him for 2 years now.

 

Am I racist??

 

@ Sportmans---

You mentioned "Proud to be British" hence my answer at the start.

 

I am only speaking of race crime. It is different from Hooliganism and drunken assaults in casualty.

Whoever instigates it should be punished at all times. Punishment should be the same for all.

WHITE OR BLACK.

It does not happen like that in the UK.

 

 

The Somalian women should have been instantly deported or at the very least given a custodial sentence and then deported.

 

Muslims do not drink and so the fact the defence got away with that as an excuse only adds fuel to the fire.

 

Incidents like this will swell the numbers of people who look towards the far right...that is fact.

It will be a black day for the UK if the far right ever succeed gaining power.

[Sportsman]

So what your saying is if a white Englishman hits me that's just hooliganism and that's OK. He gets a 50 quid fine for a public order offence (if it gets to court which is doubtful)

If a black man hits me then that's racial and he should get 3 years prison and then deportation.

 

What was that you were saying about a multi layered justice system?

[Andrew]

@ Andrew

I am a long way from being a racist.

"Proud to be British"

 

 

Nor am i, but i was branded one because i was defending MY country.

Edited December 11, 2011 by Andrew

[Sportsman]

Nor am i, but i was branded one because i was defending MY country.

 

When and who by?

[davedave]

You can beat around the bush all you want.

 

But at the end of the day you know if it had been four white girls from leicester that severely assaulted a somalian muslim woman walking down the street, minding her own business, that they'd be facing a custodial sentence.

 

Sportsman, do you disagree with this? Can you honestly say that it was a fair and just trial? And can you say that not being used to the effects of alcohol is a mitigating factor?

 

Because I take Law and I know for a fact that the effect of drugs or alcohol is not a mitigating factor, but an aggravating factor.

Edited December 11, 2011 by davedave

[Sportsman]

You can beat around the bush all you want.

 

But at the end of the day you know if it had been four white girls from leicester that severely assaulted a somalian muslim woman walking down the street, minding her own business, that they'd be facing a custodial sentence.

 

Sportsman, do you disagree with this? Can you honestly say that it was a fair and just trial? And can you say that not being used to the effects of alcohol is a mitigating factor?

 

Because I take Law and I know for a fact that the effect of drugs or alcohol is not a mitigating factor, but an aggravating factor.

 

 

I don't beat about the bush.

 

Yes, I disagree with you. I would be very surprised if the faced a custodial sentence. (In fact the Somalian women got a custodial sentence but as you take Law you would know that)

I wouldn't know if it was a fair and just trial, I wasn't there, were you?

I know that they were found guilty.

The effects of alcohol is frequently used as a mitigating factor and I know personally of many cases where it has been used successfully as such.

 

Andrew

It was a simple question.

[davedave]

I don't beat about the bush.

 

Yes, I disagree with you. I would be very surprised if the faced a custodial sentence. (In fact the Somalian women got a custodial sentence but as you take Law you would know that)

I wouldn't know if it was a fair and just trial, I wasn't there, were you?

I know that they were found guilty.

The effects of alcohol is frequently used as a mitigating factor and I know personally of many cases where it has been used successfully as such.

 

Yes they did but they didn't actually serve a prison sentence did they.

 

I'll rephrase it, does the verdict seem fair to you?

 

Just because they were found guilty doesn't mean justice was done.

 

It is very rarely a mitigating factor, such person has chosen to drink alcohol (voluntary intoxication) so they must accept all consequences.

Edited December 11, 2011 by davedave

[Sportsman]

Yes they did but they didn't actually serve a prison sentence did they.

 

I'll rephrase it, does the verdict seem fair to you?

 

Just because they were found guilty doesn't mean justice was done.

 

It is very rarely a mitigating factor, such person has chosen to drink alcohol (voluntary intoxication) so they must accept all consequences.

 

They haven't yet been required to serve a prison sentence. It is still there.

They also got 150 hours of community service, something which is often used these days instead of custody. If they fail to meet the terms of the community service they could end up serving their prison term.

This is a more severe sentence than most receive for a relatively minor assault.

The verdict was guilty, I assume that you mean do I think that the sentence was fair? yes.

 

The "alcohol in someone who is not used to it" defence is often used with varying degrees of success.

 

I once heard an out and out drunken thug described in court as an angelic young man who was persuaded by his peers to drink more alcohol than he was used to and committed acts of brutality which were normally against his nature.

The judge bought it and he got community service, without the suspended sentence. What he did was much worse than what these girls did. It is what defence lawyers do, it is their job.

[captain cojones]

Andrew

It was a simple question.

 

I expect he has just popped out to do a bit of "country protecting".Im sure he´ll be back when it´s all safe again.