Bishops block the benefits cap.

[barry luxton]

All,

 

How about this? (cut and pasted from CNN). """"Florida's poor can use food stamps to buy staples like milk, vegetables, fruits and meat. But they can also use them to buy sweets like cakes, cookies and Jell-O and snack foods like chips, ..."""" State senator introduced a bill that "sugar products" couldn't be purchased with food stamps.

 

Phone

 

Can't see the bishops objecting to food coupons being issued, with the proviso that fags, beer, and tele veiwing, phone credits are to be excluded. What a good idea, to ensure the kids are first in line.

Edited February 5, 2012 by barry luxton

[chesters1]

they (or someone did) object to food coupons here ,it gave the user some sort of underclass persona

i would say gift horses and mouths

you still buy fags though coupons are bought by spivs at a rate far lower than the face value for cash

Edited February 6, 2012 by chesters1

[Now there's a right un.]

they (or someone did) object to food coupons here ,it gave the user some sort of underclass persona

i would say gift horses and mouths

you still buy fags though coupons are bought by spivs at a rate far lower than the face value for cash

 

 

 

Why not just go back to the Victorian system?

 

An employer didn't pay his employees in hard currency, but in a token. The employee could only redeem the token at an outlet controlled by the employer. Thus the employer dictated what could be purchased and inflate the retail price to a level of his own choosing.

Employees could also only rent accomodation from the employer also.

 

Happiness, happiness...not on your life, literally.

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@ Barry --- I cannot see how your system will ensure children are better looked after?

 

A miserable parent who feels worse than nothing is hardly an example for the child.

 

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We are all being conditioned to accept austerity.

Benefit recipients are being demonised.

Workers are being bullied into accepting crap because Governement lets in migrants who will work for half.

 

They say we have no spare money...total BS.

 

Amazing where then the UK finds the money to fight Wars in foreign lands, give money to the IMF, continue giving donations to India, waste tens of billions of pounds in only 2 years through incompetence etc etc etc...

 

A lie said often enough is readily accepted as truth because the real truth is either beyond the comprehension of the mass or too uncomfortable and unpalatable to accept as the truth. Far easier to be like a sheep and accept the lie en masse.

People in the UK are being lied to every day and most swallow it as truth. Why do you think UK education standards have dropped in the last 30 years. The more uneducated the individual the easier to control and blind with BS.

 

 

 

We will, if politicians have their way, arrive at a point where the basic UK worker will return to a life of want and misery.

 

 

 

It is simple to reform the benefit system and make it fairer for all but they will not do it properly.

 

Example:

 

If you eradicate fraud, deceit, overpayment etc etc...which could easily be done... who would employ the thousands of people needed to chase those who take advantage of the system?

 

Then you have a knock on effect for manufacturers who for example produce paper, pens, uniforms, ID cards, clipboards etc etc ........used by those who chase those who take advantage.

 

So eradicating the unfairness of the system properly would have consequences and may not be cost effective.

 

The whole system is like a stack of cards and this is why instead of fixing it once and for all we get tweeks, alterations and promises.

[Phone]

Barry,

 

Tongue in cheek, - - - if you wish to put the children first you wouldn't eliminate sugar.

 

(I don't disagree, the idea has some intellectual merit.)

 

Phone

[barry luxton]

Barry,

 

Tongue in cheek, - - - if you wish to put the children first you wouldn't eliminate sugar.

 

(I don't disagree, the idea has some intellectual merit.)

 

Phone

 

Beleive it or not phone there was a news item last week regarding sugar as a poison if taken to excess.

 

and quote Now there's a right un. : @ Barry --- I cannot see how your system will ensure children are better looked after?

 

A miserable parent who feels worse than nothing is hardly an example for the child.

 

 

This orgional item clearly stated the needs of the parents, i.e. fags, beer, telly and phone(pun) however, no one needs to be a misery guts because they have given up the above. I'm not, i'm very happy to call myself a non-smoker. So that argument won't wash. And it was the bishops who used the reason that kids will suffer with the cap, well, again, these parents need a bit of education to put their kids needs first, if they can't or won't then food coupons sounds a lot more sensible than fag/beer money don't you think.

Edited February 6, 2012 by barry luxton

[Now there's a right un.]

This orgional item clearly stated the needs of the parents, i.e. fags, beer, telly and phone(pun) however, no one needs to be a misery guts because they have given up the above. I'm not, i'm very happy to call myself a non-smoker. So that argument won't wash. And it was the bishops who used the reason that kids will suffer with the cap, well, again, these parents need a bit of education to put their kids needs first, if they can't or won't then food coupons sounds a lot more sensible than fag/beer money don't you think.

 

 

 

 

I understand now.

 

However, if you introduce coupons they could still be exchanged for Fags[Cigarettes for the benefit of our American viewers], Beer, Telly[Television] and phones via the blackmarket or unscrupulous retail outlets. I knew a few who exchanged the old Milk Tokens for Cigarettes without a problem, mainly Asian shopkeepers in my area.

There is no guarantee that this would not happen with this.

Also, who is to say that if coupons are in force retail outlets won't just increase their prices?

Coupons mean extra work for retailers as they have to be exchanged for currency do they not?

Unless the banks are in on this too.