Pre-tied method feeder hair-rig hooklenghs (barbed?)

[John S]

No amount of practise helps failing eye sight. My old man has the same problem I tie most of his hooklenghts but if im at work a fella from the local tackle shop ties him a few up charges him no more than the price of the bits. Might be worth asking your tackle shop. Or maybe a fellow angler

 

Failing eyesight is something most people don't comprehend until it starts to happen to them. For now I get by nicely with reading glasses when tying rigs and flies, but I imagine there will come a time when even those will not be sufficient. Never thought about asking at the local tackle shop, but it's something to remember when/if my eyesight gets too bad

 

If some of you young pups what to see what it's like, take a sheet of glass (or some cheap sunglasses) and smear some vaseline over it, then try to tie up a hair rig, or even thread some line through the eye of a hook....

[Andy Macfarlane]

Don't want to tell you how to fish but are barbed hooks really neccesary? I use them for some of my fishing but i'm assuming your fishing for carp, with a rig which is basically a bolt rig....when i've fished these methods i've never had any trouble with fish coming off.

 

Feel free to tell me to shut up just my two cents worth.

 

Dave

 

Quite agree Dave. The only time I ever use barbed hooks on my method hooklinks, is if I intend to counter-balance the weight of the hook with floating maggot or something of that ilk.

[Phone]

davedave,

 

Different thread.

 

Phone

[RUDD]

Quite agree Dave. The only time I ever use barbed hooks on my method hooklinks, is if I intend to counter-balance the weight of the hook with floating maggot or something of that ilk.

 

Why not use a barbless and counterbalance with a small bit of putty or a small shot on the hair like a KD rig?

you could even tie a double hair and just pinch a small shot on the second hair.

[Anderoo]

I can't see how a barbed hook is any heavier than a barbless one of the same size and pattern - not enough to make a difference when counterbalancing a bait?

 

I use barbed (micro barbed where possible) hooks for bolt rig fishing, as I want it to stick in and stay put, rather than wiggling around. I have used barbless for this in the past, and ended up using hooks with a very curved point, which were almost as good. Once they went in, they stayed put pretty well. (Not as effective at hooking as a straight point though.)

Edited February 13, 2013 by Anderoo

[Andy Macfarlane]

I meant floating maggots on the hook.

 

I could use floating baits on the hair and counter with putty or something but I'm just not entirely sold on artificials. I just prefer real pellets, corn, prawns etc. I hate wondering if there's anything I could be doing and I can't sit for long with fakes.

[tinca steve]

Using fakes takes a bit of confidence, If your still worrying then mix with real's or heavy flavouring can help.

 

As for any pre-tied hook-links then sit indoors in good light and tie them in the winter, simples.

I tie quite a few myself for use latter in the year, 3",5",8",12" and 30" in different hook sizes and line strengths for different uses. I no longer tie hook-lengths on the bank, the most I do is shorten a link using a fig.8 loop knot.

[Phone]

tinca,

 

As the poster said, and John reminded us there is an issue of impaired vision involved. Take some cheap sunglasses) and smear some vaseline over them, then try to tie up a hair rig or even thread a hook - simples.

 

As for balanced baits - that's a joke. I doubt if anyone knows the specific gravity of water at 69 degrees much less the difference between 69 vs 72 degrees. Then add the issue of temperature change within the water column whilst fishing. I doubt the weight of a hook barb would even be part of the physics equation.

 

Phone

[Andy Macfarlane]

Phone, not your fault but the weight of the barb wasn't what I was driving at. I think Anderoo misunderstood me.

 

I wanted to balace the weight of a whole hook.

 

I mean if I'm using a hair-rigged bait hard on the bottom, I'll gladly use a barbless hook. If I want to balance the bait and the hook, with say floating maggots, floating corn etc. on the hook itself I'll use a barbed hook.

I know I could put the artificals on the hair alongside the real deal but I tend to make my hair just large enough to get a single grain of corn on, so I usually just add/remove a floating bait to the hook.

 

(note Anderoo: I reckon most hook barbs these days are fairly discreet. Perhaps not micro but small all the same.)

 

I might well give the artificials another outing, when I'm sure the fish are having conventional baits confidently. It just seems I've not put the fish on the bank as yet, so I lack that feeling of confidence in order to persist. When I have used wholly floating arificials I have used shot.

[tinca steve]

tinca,

 

there is an issue of impaired vision involved.

 

 

Phone

Phone I have the same type of problem, but at home I can add extra light, use a magnifying glass, sit at a table in the warm and take my time, I also use one of them sowing needle threaders thingamabobs to pull the line through the eyes of hooks . I might only tie 6 rigs a night but they all add up slowly to a useful collection.

 

Edited to add -- Think of a solution not the problem.... :nerd:Think And it will come to you problem solved.

Edited February 14, 2013 by tinca steve