Anglers Should Be Licensed And their Catches Restricted.

[Guest challenge]

No, it was and still is a very genuine post from me!!!!

 

What is wrong with it? Is it an un-truth?

 

OK i'm no expert on the matter , but are the experts???

How do they measure their results?

Computed results don't wash with me!!

 

As far as i've always known COD are a migratory fish ?

 

The trips i have have had with JB have all proved to be VERY successful , even the one being 140 mile off in a force 7!!!!!

 

BUT i'm no expert on the matter (who is)??

 

Can you or anyone else HONESTLY HAND ON HEART say that there is a crisis???

 

All i am going on is what i am seeing and doing at the sport

 

All i will say IS leave the sandeels alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Morning Carl.

You’re wasting your time Carl; they simply won’t believe what you’re saying. They simply don’t believe that thousands of anglers a year can be right and they can be wrong.

They don’t believe that somebody (who has spent his working life at sea) can actually work out a problem and then buy a boat (that is capable) and develop a management system that will prove successful in providing his anglers with fish.

They won’t believe you Carl if you are to tell them that you steam thousands of miles around the North Sea and very rarely come across a British commercial fishing boat.

They won’t believe you Carl if you say that after fishing through the hay days of cod fishing from Whitby (as you did) you still find this method of fishing and the results the best you have had.

They don’t believe you Carl because it goes against everything they try and preach.

They don’t believe you Carl because it proves them to be wrong.

So what do they do Carl? Firstly they accuse you of being a fake. Then they say you are stupid and talk rubbish and hit you with a load of science to back there case.

If I was you Carl, I would just carry on fishing while you can.

They simply don’t get it Carl. They simply don’t get the fact that there are thousands of anglers out there who are very happy with the way things are.

These anglers are so happy that they keep on paying the money and returning year after year.

We put more sea angling hours in at sea than any other boat in the country. Do you think that’s because they where right all along Carl? While we where wrong?

Regards.

[Trubshaw]

I would rather that you tried engage in the the first topic you have rasied than jumping on to another one.

 

 

Please please can someone out there answer Fishingsfine's question. That is after all what this topic is about. And while we're about it can someone please answer mine?

 

DEFRA have published a summary of responses recieved to the Government's Consultation on a Marine Bill

 

A chargeable licensing scheme and bag limits

 

3.30 There was support both from the angling sector and other respondents for proposals in respect of “bag limits” and a chargeable licensing scheme for angling.

 

Can I ask a particularly stupid question(s).

 

1. Where did this thread start? Is there a background to this I have missed?

2. Who or what organisations were present at the meeting? By which I mean RSA or Commercial

3. What did the memberships of these organisations instruct their reps to say.

 

Many thanks and apologies for being behind the times.

 

 

Many thanks

Edited December 10, 2006 by Trubshaw

[Jim Roper]

I would rather that you tried engage in the the first topic you have rasied than jumping on to another one.

I thought this thread was about sea angling licenses!

 

Will the levying of a license on sea anglers, reverse the affects of climate change? I don't think so!

 

If you think that the conclusions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh are wrong, then write and tell them so.

 

Did they have any evidence to support the idea that sea angling licenses will increase fish stocks?

[Leon Roskilly]

DEFRA have published a summary of responses recieved to the Government's Consultation on a Marine Bill

 

A chargeable licensing scheme and bag limits

 

3.30 There was support both from the angling sector and other respondents for proposals in respect of “bag limits” and a chargeable licensing scheme for angling.

 

Can I ask a particularly stupid question(s).

 

1. Where did this thread start? Is there a background to this I have missed?

2. Who or what organisations were present at the meeting? By which I mean RSA or Commercial

3. What did the memberships of these organisations instruct their reps to say.

 

Many thanks and apologies for being behind the times.

Many thanks

 

 

 

Hi Trubshaw,

 

Not sure what you mean by 'thread', but if you mean discussions regarding licences and bag limits in general, then that has been going on for years and years, but it was only during the 'Bradley' review of Fisheries Enforcement, when the idea of charging commercial inshore fishermen towards the cost of fisheries management and enforcement on the 'user pays' principle, that the idea of charging for an angling rod licence was first officially mooted (the Prime Ministers Strategy Unit had proposed a voluntary licence just before that)

 

see:

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/fish-env/index.htm

 

http://www.strategy.gov.uk/work_areas/fisheries/index.asp

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/water/...cy/marine-bill/

 

Yes, unless you've followed this debate on this and other sea fishing forums, and before such forums came into existence, the internet newsgroups that preceeded them (such as uk.alt.fishing.sea and the IAC - Internet Angling Club), then you have probably missed a lot of background.

 

 

There was no 'meeting', rather a serious of consultations by the Governement where organisations and individuals have responded with many documents, and of course the inevitable many meetings that were involved as well.

 

Initially, the government only consulted with commercial fishing organisations and businesses, but as more and more rsa individuals and organisations discovered them, they too started to be included and now many, many RSA organisations (including individual federations and clubs) and angling businesses are also routinely included in consultations.

 

Responses by individuals and organisations are usually a matter of public record, usually available as a summary on the internet, but copies of individual responses can be obtained on request.

 

see http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/current.htm

 

 

By the way, slightly off topic, but as you are interested in MPAs, the RCEP report 'Turning the Tide' will be of interest.

 

See: http://www.rcep.org.uk/fisheries.htm

Edited December 10, 2006 by Leon Roskilly

[Trubshaw]

Hi Trubshaw,

 

Not sure what you mean by 'thread', but if you mean discussions regarding licences and bag limits in general, then that has been going on for years and years, but it was only during the 'Bradley' review of Fisheries Enforcement, when the idea of charging commercial inshore fishermen towards the cost of fisheries management and enforcement on the 'user pays' principle, that the idea of charging for an angling rod licence was first officially mooted (the Prime Ministers Strategy Unit had proposed a voluntary licence just before that)

 

see:

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/fish-env/index.htm

 

http://www.strategy.gov.uk/work_areas/fisheries/index.asp

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/water/...cy/marine-bill/

 

Yes, unless you've followed this debate on this and other sea fishing forums, and before such forums came into existence, the internet newsgroups that preceeded them (such as uk.alt.fishing.sea and the IAC - Internet Angling Club), then you have probably missed a lot of background.

There was no 'meeting', rather a serious of consultations by the Governement where organisations and individuals have responded with many documents, and of course the inevitable many meetings that were involved as well.

 

Initially, the government only consulted with commercial fishing organisations and businesses, but as more and more rsa individuals and organisations discovered them, they too started to be included and now many, many RSA organisations (including individual federations and clubs) and angling businesses are also routinely included in consultations.

 

Responses by individuals and organisations are usually a matter of public record, usually available as a summary on the internet, but copies of individual responses can be obtained on request.

 

see http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/current.htm

By the way, slightly off topic, but as you are interested in MPAs, the RCEP report 'Turning the Tide' will be of interest.

 

See: http://www.rcep.org.uk/fisheries.htm

 

Many thanks Leon. That has given me something interesting to read to help while away the hours of boredom waiting for my ankle to heal.

[Trubshaw]

One of the arguments put forward for Sea Anglers to be licenced is that it would enhance or legitimise their voice.

 

The Commercials had a voice and were listened to without the benefit of a licence for years. Even then they were given their licences for nothing and are still listened to.

 

The RSA community as a whole have somehow got to get their act together under one banner and make themselves heard.

 

1m+ RSA + all the RSA supporting industries employees votes going against a government that will not listen to them coming up to election time will be listened to.

 

I don't know how to get them all under the one umbrella, I have joined the NSAF, the SACN and various local clubs.

 

The two oldest and largest organisations should surely be campaigning far more publically than they are. How often do we hear from the Management of these organisations on forums like these?

 

I hope to receive a deluge of complaints about how they are being heard from, it is just I don't know where to find them.

Edited December 10, 2006 by Trubshaw

[Leon Roskilly]

I hope to receive a deluge of complaints about how they are being heard from, it is just I don't know where to find them.

 

Try:

 

http://www.sacn.org.uk

 

 

The NFSA website is at http://www.nfsa.org.uk but hasn't been kept as up to date as it perhaps should be.

 

That is a priority issue that the NFSA intends addressing.

[big_cod]

We put more sea angling hours in at sea than any other boat in the country.

Regards.

.

 

Are you sure john.

Edited December 11, 2006 by big_cod

[Jim Roper]

Who are 'they' now? Royal Society? Please tell me where they have claimed that angling licenses would incrase fishstocks.

 

I don't think they did claim that, because there is no evidence to support it.

[Jim Roper]

So now you are talking about the Royal Society's conclusions and not the SFPO contribution anymore.

 

OOOPs! Misread the address bar.

 

I still agree with what was submitted as evidence. It makes more sense than thinking that a sea angling license will result in anglers having more and bigger fish to catch.