Sea Fishing Licence - would you pay?

[H.A.]

but if a commercial runs over a hermit crab with an otter board then thats wholesale destrution of marine habitat

 

Well Steve, you're right there ......

 

BEFORE -

 

 

AFTER -

 

 

 

BEFORE -

 

 

AFTER -

 

 

(Images credit to L Veale (MCS) and Dr J Hall-Spencer, University of Plymouth; Marine Pollution Bulletin 52 (2006) 831-835).

 

There's none so blind as WILL not see.

 

[steve good]

but if a commercial runs over a hermit crab with an otter board then thats wholesale destrution of marine habitat

 

Well Steve, you're right there ......

 

[Photo's removed - John S]

 

(Images credit to L Veale (MCS) and Dr J Hall-Spencer, University of Plymouth; Marine Pollution Bulletin 52 (2006) 831-835).

 

There's none so blind as WILL not see.

 

 

Hi H.A

 

QUOTE/ Images credit to L Veale (MCS) and Dr J Hall-Spencer, University of Plymouth; Marine Pollution Bulletin 52 (2006) 831-835).

 

Shame they did not do something worthwhile like photograph aggregate dredging areas, mind you I expect you would deem those area to be normal

 

Happy new year

 

steve

Edited January 6, 2008 by John S
Believe it or not, we've already seen those photo's on this thread already. There's no need to show them again, especially for such a short reply

[Jim Roper]

Some say that those moon-landing pictures were filmed in Iceland!

[Guest challenge]

Glenk

Don’t know glen? Who is driving it? Is it the greens? The same organisation that you said you where once proud to be apart off? By the way, nice fish you had the other day and complements of the season.

HA

If you’re not going to comply with recreational sea angling legislation when it comes about where will you do your fishing?

[Jaffa]

Its getting to that time of year when the beach south of Arbroath normaly spews the previous summers life, in an enormous wave of destruction that gets every dog walker wondering about just what evil man must just have done. Starfish dumped in their tens of thousands seem to produce a special reponse

 

Before and after photos of an East Coast reef as examples of anything from mans inhumanity to the environment, a winter storm, whatever the papers tell us is the next scary thing....

 

Is it the summer or winter environemnt that we are to log and preserve btw?

[Jaffa]

Seasons greetings Jaffa.

 

This country spends 100 mil on it's management of the sea, defra, i agree some of it's crap. It's not more management but a correct one wanted. Some of the eu management is crap as well. If there were none i believe there would be no fish in the sea.

 

To allow commercials to run it, to what extent and who to trust? What about the big boys who have been taken to court and found guilty of taking our stock, or the one's who have multiple court cases behind them, trust them, like the brixham skipper who dredges lyme bay who has been caught, trust him not to fiddle us on a voluntary basis. I would find that very difficult. What about the others 'getting in the way' what they want to see is fish in the sea isn't it. The rsa certainly do and what is wrong with that and why are they getting in the way? What do they need to wise up to?

 

Sorry to stop your argument early, but why on earth do you assume that if there was no EU management , there would be "no fish in the sea"?!

 

As for the commercials running it, well why not give it a try? we have had years of everyone else trying to do it on "their behalf" (or now all us "stakeholders" behalf, and its been a disaster)

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I can see things up here getting much better, without any new legislation. I have idea whatsoever about your part of the world; never fished there and know little about it at all.

 

But i have some kind of ideaology so should tell you what to do i guess

[H.A.]

As for the commercials running it, well why not give it a try?

 

Oh Jaff .... you poor ole thing!

 

A bit like 'boy racers' running the motorways, eh?

 

Or Burglars.com running Neighbourhood Watch??????

 

:roll1: :roll1:

Edited January 4, 2008 by H.A.

[wurzel]

but if a commercial runs over a hermit crab with an otter board then thats wholesale destrution of marine habitat

 

Well Steve, you're right there ......

 

[Edited to remove photo's]

 

(Images credit to L Veale (MCS) and Dr J Hall-Spencer, University of Plymouth; Marine Pollution Bulletin 52 (2006) 831-835).

 

There's none so blind as WILL not see.

 

 

Were the before photos taken a hundred years ago or before the last time trawled but after the time before?

Edited January 6, 2008 by John S
Believe it or not, we've already seen those photo's on this thread already. There's no need to show them again, especially for such a short reply

[H.A.]

Trawling the sea bed

Marine Pollution Bulletin, Volume 52, Issue 8,

August 2006, Pages 831-835

[wurzel]

[quote name='Jaffa' date='Jan 4 2008, 01:52 AM' post='798336

 

 

I can see things up here getting much better, without any new legislation. I have idea whatsoever about your part of the world; never fished there and know little about it at all.

 

But i have some kind of ideaology so should tell you what to do i guess

 

Hello Jaffa

 

Much the same around here.

 

In fact things were better before they decided the under 10 fleet needed any management, in those days when the local fleet was left to it's own devices there were a few boats targeting rays (thornbacks) with a few cod by catch, a few targeting soles with a bit of cod and ray by catch and a few fishing for cod with a by catch of rays, every body had their niche no where or species was put under undue pressure and the local market was not over supplied by just one species.

At the moment due to management the only viable fish we are allowed to catch are rays with a small amount of cod and a total stop on soles, so all the boats have no option but to fish for rays putting undue pressure on the local stock and causing problems on the market, no doubt the management when they decide to open the sole fishery will close the ray and cod fishery leaving all the fleet no option but to fish for sole causing even more problems on limited ground.

 

No management is better than bad management.