Pub landlord gives 2 fingers to the smoking ban

[mr motorola]

No. I simply use the correct amount. Try it.

 

While you're sorting out your punctuation, look up the definition of 'pedant'. You'll think you're reading your biography.

I've tried my best to refrain from posting on this thread but feel impelled to join back in.

 

Wordbender , talking down to people over your glasses won't help the atmosphere. It's rather rude.

 

 

I think that we have to surrender to the ban , it's been put in place , AND FOR NOW , will stand firm.

Ok then , heres an honest question for the antis (well 2 actually) , please answer the questions as honestly as you can

 

1. Is the 'smoking in public places ban' enough , or would you prefer an outright ban?

 

2. Do you think that the ban in question could have been implemented with a better revision , and foresight to smokers?

(ie , fully designated smoking and non-smoking pubs)

 

 

These questions are directed to the anti-smoking posters on here.

 

Please be as honest as you can (swallow your pride) and type your HONEST feelings , esp. to question 2

[Wordbender]

Wordbender , talking down to people over your glasses won't help the atmosphere. It's rather rude.

 

 

1. Is the 'smoking in public places ban' enough , or would you prefer an outright ban?

 

2. Do you think that the ban in question could have been implemented with a better revision , and foresight to smokers?

(ie , fully designated smoking and non-smoking pubs)

These questions are directed to the anti-smoking posters on here.

 

Please be as honest as you can (swallow your pride) and type your HONEST feelings , esp. to question 2

 

First, the initial rudeness in the exchanges between us came from you, Mororola, I merely responded. Kleinboet has also used his share of impolite terms, so I'll thank you not to lecture me on manners. Now to your questions.

 

1. Ideally, I'd like every decent person in the world to rid their lives of smoking, because it kills too many of them, but the ban in public places is plenty good enough for me.

 

2. If you read this thread, you'd see that I've twice stated that 'smoking' and 'non-smoking' pubs seemed to me to be the best way forward.

 

I trust those answers are 'honest' enough for you.

[medwaygreen]

It has been answered exhaustively throughout this long long thread. Try reading and you'll find the answers.

 

I have read every post and all i can say to you Nick is that you only wish to see and answer what suites you.

 

The question i have asked has not even been addressed let alone answered as you say exhaustively.

 

Should you wish to have an attempt at an answer i would gladly reiterate the question for you.

Edited January 26, 2008 by medwaygreen

[barry luxton]

1. Ideally, I'd like every decent person in the world to rid their lives of smoking, because it kills too many of them, but the ban in public places is plenty good enough for me.

 

Could use that argument for almost anything that is 'not good for us'. Regarding smoking the goverment has been ott as usual in this instance and not given all of the population a choice, so they must be and this law considered, draconian.

 

One point i made a time ago on this topic, my skipper mate can't smoke in his cabin that he paid 150k for,is that fair? Even if he had a boat load of smokers aboard he still could not do it according to the law as one of his paying angler's could grass him up, draconian i recon.

 

 

who wants a puff

Edited January 26, 2008 by barry luxton

[DavyR]

Kleinboet, you may have missed my earlier question about your wife's smoking, but I'm asking it again because I'm genuinely concerned.

 

Does she smoke cannabis to relieve the pain from her MS, or is it plain cigarettes? If it's cannabis, that is proven to help MS patients. If it's cigarettes, there's a strong possibility that she could be speeding the worsening of her condition (see the research link in my original post on the subject).

[mr motorola]

First, the initial rudeness in the exchanges between us came from you, Mororola, I merely responded. Kleinboet has also used his share of impolite terms, so I'll thank you not to lecture me on manners. Now to your questions.

 

1. Ideally, I'd like every decent person in the world to rid their lives of smoking, because it kills too many of them, but the ban in public places is plenty good enough for me.

 

2. If you read this thread, you'd see that I've twice stated that 'smoking' and 'non-smoking' pubs seemed to me to be the best way forward.

 

I trust those answers are 'honest' enough for you.

Well , that's a starter for ten.

 

 

 

 

 

Teeth firmly clenched...................Lecture? Manners?

Sorry , your lordship.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway , your reply is duely and gratefully received.

[Wordbender]

Well , that's a starter for ten.

Teeth firmly clenched...................Lecture? Manners?

Sorry , your lordship.

Anyway , your reply is duely and gratefully received.

 

 

No 'Lordship' here, Motorola. Just a humble country lad.

 

Regards,

[kleinboet]

DavyR - Thank you for your concern. Brenda is AFAIK the only person in Gloucestershire to have been prescribed SATIVEX on a named patient basis. As most of you are aware Sativex is a cannebeloid based pain relieving spray that is only available in Canada! The British government have however allowed it to be dispensed in this country on a named patient basis. It Works!!

 

As far as her smoking is concerned, her ilness is so far gone that in the opinion of the MS specialist, her smoking is NOT going to exacerbate her condition.

 

In the last 5 years, her condition has deteriorated from walking with a stick, to 2 sticks, to crutches and finaly to a wheelchair. She has also been registered Deaf/blind, the deaf section being added in the last year.

She can also no longer read braille as here hands have lost feeling!

 

So I feel smoking is all she has left really!

 

 

Coming back to Mr M's proposal. People cannot smoke until they are ADULTS! Surely adults, even in this nanny state, should have the RIGHT to choose!! You have the RIGHT to vote - smokers, no-smokers, criminal and law abiding! They are classed as adults and as such have the right to choose!

non-smokers have had that right taken away!!

I reitterate there should be a choice for smokers and non-smokers!!

I don't know - maybe they are scared that you will have two premises the same, one smoking, one non-smoking, adjacent to one another, only to find the smoking one full and the other one not so!!!

How embarrasing would that be!

[mr motorola]

I have read every post and all i can say to you Nick is that you only wish to see and answer what suites you.

The question i have asked has not even been addressed let alone answered as you say exhaustively.

 

Should you wish to have an attempt at an answer i would gladly reiterate the question for you.

As i said in my primary reply to you medwaygreen..................welcome to the madhouse.

I certainly know what you mean.

Edited January 26, 2008 by mr motorola

[mr motorola]

I don't know - maybe they are scared that you will have two premises the same, one smoking, one non-smoking, adjacent to one another, only to find the smoking one full and the other one not so!!!

How embarrasing would that be!

I can honestly agree with that sentiment Kleinboet. My immediate area has suffered greatly from the ban. I can't speak for other areas of the country but, the Pontefract / Wakefield area has definately felt the pinch. Also , during the summer months (what we had of it) i noticed a large increase in patio heaters in our customers back gardens. These things are beyond thought in my mind. Burning gas for no apparent reason other than keeping people warm outside. But the customers i asked (i didn't ask everyone) said "balls to the pub , i'll sit in my back yard and do as i like"

 

As already said , this is what is happening in MY area and not a general consensus of the rest of the country. Maybe it is only happening in my neck of the woods and i'm being irrationally paranoid.?? Hhhmmm

 

I better go for another CT scan and see if i actually have a brain................................... :P