No Take Zones - Good for Anglers?

[wurzel]

Don't want them. We already have bass nursery areas around here. I don't want anymore places I can't fish.

 

 

Nor me,

 

They are not needed, not necessary and I don't think they would do much good, in my area any way.

[glennk]

Not sure of the purpose of this post now but if your looking for unique topics you will struggle. Conservation, baits, hooks, rock fishing, locating sandeal, uptiding vs downtiding, lug or rag or even whites ?. Same topics years apart discussed by new members. It's the way of things.

[Elton]

Six years ago and the topics have not changed much have thay?

 

No, because people keep registering new accounts and trying to resurrect them.

[Ken Davison South Wales]

Nor me,

 

They are not needed, not necessary and I don't think they would do much good, in my area any way.

 

I have seen them in action of the coast of Bahrain in the Arabian Gulf. The fishing there was ruined and non-existent so they constructed artificial reefs over a large area and made it a NTZ. Within a couple of years the area was teeming with fish and good catches were being recorded just outside the area. They have now constructed several more and everyone is very happy.

 

Another area of Rastanara Oil refinery in KSA is the same for slightly different reasons, the whole area is a security zone and there is no fishing, but just outside this area the fishing is very good.

 

Whilst standing on North Pier looking at thousands of large fish was a pain in the nether regions it was easy to see the benefits.

 

Now I know the situation there is different warm water and all that, but I am convinced it could work here to everyones benefit. Our local bass nursery areas do work and fishing is only allowed from the shore but for my money the areas seem to small and need extending to work correctly.

 

It would really require positive input from both sectors to make it work 100% but I am sure everyone would benefit in the end.

[slackline]

Its amazing that no one has mentioned the island of Lundy. There has been a total exclusion zone around Lundy for about 3 years and detailed mapping of seabed species has shown a massive increase in quantiy size and diversity of species. i am sure some of you web wizards can find more info to post.

 

A quict scrat on google came up with this

http://www.lundy.org.uk/inf/mnr.html[/url

then to english nature and this

 

 

 

http://www.english-nature.org.uk/news/story.asp?ID=444://http://www.lundy.org.uk/inf/mnr.htm...tory.asp?ID=444

Edited October 29, 2006 by slackline

[seaside]

Its amazing that no one has mentioned the island of Lundy. There has been a total exclusion zone around Lundy for about 3 years and detailed mapping of seabed species has shown a massive increase in quantiy size and diversity of species. i am sure some of you web wizards can find more info to post.

 

A quict scrat on google came up with this

http://www.lundy.org.uk/inf/mnr.html[/url

then to english nature and this

http://www.english-nature.org.uk/news/stor...tory.asp?ID=444

A quick visit to http://www.bbc.co.uk/://http://www.english-nature.org.uk/ne.../www.bbc.co.uk/ and put lundy in the search box will lead you to two news items videos which really show how quickly an area will regenerate if just left alone for a short time - pity the Scottish Exec still refuse to do similar for the small area off Arran.

Edited October 29, 2006 by seaside

[Ken Davison South Wales]

A quick visit to http://www.bbc.co.uk/ and put lundy in the search box will lead you to two news items videos which really show how quickly an area will regenerate if just left alone for a short time - pity the Scottish Exec still refuse to do similar for the small area off Arran.

 

It is a shame more people don't take the time to find out more about NTZ, must admit I had not looked at the Lundy one and I was pleased to see it had support from both sides of the fence

 

It was nice to see all sides working together.

[frankthebass]

The subject of conservation and the measures proposed to help are not new issues. This point is new to me and that was the point of my post.

A friend has helped bring this home to me by lending me some back issues of Sea Sea Angler magerzine. These go back to the mid 70s and are very interesting regarding the above.

A 1988 copey has a to page spread of an interview with Dr Mike Pawson on bass conservation.

Its the same s**t different day!

[wurzel]

It is a shame more people don't take the time to find out more about NTZ, must admit I had not looked at the Lundy one and I was pleased to see it had support from both sides of the fence

 

It was nice to see all sides working together.

 

Hello Ken

 

After looking at the site I still stick to my opinion, no take zones will do little for fish stocks. resident lobsters will obviously increase in size and numbers, (although lobsters have increased every where with out help) and I accept a fisherman who is lucky enough to fish along the borders would catch a few more lobsters, but only if there was lobster habitat for them to move into, if the Lundy no take zone was surrounded by clean sandy ground, you would not catch many lobsters no mater how many there were in side the no take area.

I can see that a few resident species like conger or wrasse would benefit but:

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However, it's not all good news - the divers filmed lots of damaged seafans, and the number of Red Band fish has dwindled from 14,000 some 30 years ago, to just a handful.

 

One of the marine biologists, Tom Mercer, surveyed Gannet's Bay to assess the seafan population - and he was disappointed with what was discovered.

 

"We found areas of seafans where there is seaweed growing around them, and in that place something approaching 50% of seafans were fouled in some way," he said.

 

Marine experts believe global warming, pollution or dredging in the Bristol Channel could be to blame. Industry in South Wales may also be affecting the waters.

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Like I've always said there are other things afoot that have much more effect on fish than fishing.

I can except places like Lundy for what it is, a nature reserve, but not as a tool to increase commercial fish stocks.

 

And Ken bass nursery areas have had about as much effect on bass stocks as banning hand guns has on gun crime.

[Steve Coppolo]

But that's Florida, and this is here. We won't ever get the restrictions on commercial fishing, that they have in Florida, needed to complete the picture. What will happen to the fish when they move out of the NTZ on the tide? Or when they migrate to where they migrate to when they are not in the NTZ? What are the benefits of the NTZ's we have already in place, like the mile exclusion zones around all the hundreds of gas and oil instalations? There are hundreds of miles of NTZ's in the North sea, and yet North sea Cod stocks are in trouble. What does that tell you?