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Sean, I like both, The moth - - - - and - - - THE TWO STONE OTTER! Phone

Amdrew. I saw that! I don't believe it - do you? Phone

Dave, Ahhh ! A "packbait" is around the lead. It breaks down into a pile. That would be a "method feeder" since it is around the lead. A "packbait" that is around the bait (overlay) and also serves as "casting weight" and breaks down into a pile when freelining, that would be a "feeder" A device aquired from Euro style fishing that is oval shaped weighted and slotted device and receives stuffed "groundbait" is a "cage feeder". "Cage feeders" do not require as exact a formula for breakers and binders of the groundbait they "hold in" the contents. (Used with or without a lead). Right? Phone

All, While it has nothing to do with the thread subject since I am the one who just had to "throw it in" I'll respond. O2 extraction with osmotic imbalance I would agree it would commonly happen from "salt to fresh". However, from "fresh to salt" it may or may not preceed asphyxiation. Not sure, I'm off the cuff. The important message is that living plants don't "make" co2 (worth talking about). The amount of dissolved co2 in water can be a huge range compaired to the amount of DO. Rarely does dissolved co2 influance the amount of DO. The extraction of DO to make co2 by decay is major. Salts and minerals are a far greater natural nemisis. DO is a major player in angling in fresh water. Pretty sure but also, off the cuff. You're not going to make me go down to the basement and go through old boxes are you? Phone

All, Once again, the "Great Glossary" fails me. There is no definition for "method feeder", "cage feeder" or "feeder". What are the "differences" between the two specific devices and the general term "feeder"? I'm afraid we don't distinguish as exact as you may?? Phone

Cory, Sorry, I should have said, "pre-determined" results - i.e. confirming. I don't think anyone would even suggest there is no bias in "scientific research". Don't you think "pal" review is commonplace. Especially when "theory" is being postulated and reviewed. Phone

ayjay I didn't know the stuff. "The French apple-flavored spirit Calvados is made by aging it in wooden casks before bottling." Brandy like? Up to 100 proof? Renrag You're simply going to have to stop using magnum size glasses. These are the same issues that provide for a bizillion carp bait flavors. Picky, picky, picky (In my heart of hearts, I don't believe either one of you). I can't say that in two dimensions without risk of "making a personal attack" or some similar malarkey bunkum. Not true, I would never do that. Please remember, I'm having fun. My mother once made me eat lima beans. To this day, I can projectile puke a lima bean 20 meters. Phone

Smudger, I concur, remember, often the "science" thus the performer is working from a grant from a private source with a pre-determined agenda. So, salary (grant renewals, etc.) are often "results oriented". Phone (did that make any sence at all?)

All, I kinda thing if the Trilene knot as a two loop grinner. What do you think? The trilene is a bit easier to tighten with mono IMO - especially wet. Phone

Ken, Cool - Thx Phone

Well your thinking is sort of right – and sort of not. Plants do take in oxygen and give off CO2 24 hrs a day. It’s called something unimportant to your thinking about angling. The good stuff, Photosynthesis is the process plant use to make their own food. Plants leaves contain chlorophyll that let the blue and red light go through so leaves look green. Chlorophyll absorbs the sunlight (the green color) that makes photosynthesis possible. The sunlight is combined with water, carbon dioxide and nutrients from the soil. The chlorophyll processes those ingredients and makes sugar (plant food) and oxygen. Plants really just make oxygen. Mostly animals make co2. Plants only make tiny tiny amounts of co2 whilst “eating”. There is a word but I forget it. 50 acres of corn, every day make enough oxygen for like - 11 people(?). Really plants make all the oxygen in the air for all practical purposes. Also, in the water where you fish there are algae. Algae are sort of like plants. When algae blooms they are making oxygen. Everything is cool up to this point. When the algae dies the oxygen is DEPLETED in the process of decomposition. Now things are not so cool. Decomposition often takes more oxygen out of the water than is being put in. Fish get their oxygen - - like 99% - - - (someone will look it up) from the air just like we do (some oxygen from underwater plants is dissolved on the way up from the soil on the bottom surface but not an important amount). Oxygen can be dissolved in water like sugar for you coffee can be dissolved in water. The dissolved oxygen (DO) comes mostly from waves in the water. DO is what fish live on. DO is lowest at dawn. Fresh water fishes need 6ish% DO and salts 3.5ish%. It’s usually not the salt that bothers freshwater fish in the ocean - it’s the lack of enough oxygen. Well, this post will have to be “refined” and indeed I trust it will. I’m rambling from memory. Phone Edit: "respire" Vagabond used the word. Plants respire like 1:10,000,000,000+ the oxygen produced by photsys--- (I made up the number)

Stooby, You say, "best manufacturer of hooks". "Best" is a strange word isn't it? I believe there were 10 hook manufacturers in the world in 1990 (O. Mustad; Tiemco; Wright & McGill; Anglers Sport; Owner; VMC; Partridge of Redditch; Basstar; M-art). That's wire hook manufacturers. I was never really up to date on the number of mills that heat and hammer forged hooks (often not ferrous) for the market but probably not more than 10(?). I sure there are an untold number of "specification" order companies. The amount money they wish to spend on quality control is the "cost" issue among major marketing repackagers. Well, so much for history. It's odd what different cultures (or the fish) demand. I use between 2 and 2/0 for carp. I use a standard wire hook for safety. If you do this, you will have to change hooks rather often and you will have to inspect the hook with a 2X loop before using. Ultimately, they are quite expensive if used properly, you throw so many away. But they are safest for carp and that is what I fish for. Bronzed wire hooks will wollow or rust out in 4 to 7 days. No harm is likely to come to the carp in this in that time frame. Forged non-ferrous exotic hooks may stay lodged for a long long time, until they contribute to death. So, use 2/0 for starters - Eagle Claw bronzed hooks. Phone Edit: On the tying hook to line question. You didn't give us enought information. Mono or braid? Hook eye size to line diameter? I like a doubled knot if it's possible to get the line through the hook eye twice - say - Triliene(sp). With small braid I don't think a palomar is to "blobby" really - some will.

barry, Remember the "slosh" you mentioned? In the US, since 9/11, if the USPS even get a hint of a sniff of the "slosh" - - - - well, need I say more. Phone Give it to a school boy down the street for camping out in the garden.

All, We are really talking to the wrong folks. Know who know about apple cider? In 2006/2007 the People's Republic of China led the world in commercial apple production with 24,480,000 metric tons followed by the United States with 4,460,544 metric tons. (USDA) [most recent year published] In 2006/2007 commercial world production of apples was at 44,119,244 metric tons. (USDA) China produces half the apples in the world and they can make some really tasty cider and wine. I can attest to that. Now, I have a question. What's the difference between cider and wine that is made with apples? Phone

Leon, The article at least indicates there is more than one idea on the subject. Perhaps it is true one is in the majority and more "politically" correct. On this thread terms like "man made" are impossible to refute. I have tried, I can't seem to locate the guy that invented "man made" carbon? I believe the number one source of methane gas is still orginated from bovine waste. Smudger, If its a "discussion", it is usually better not to use personal pronouns like "you". That seems pretty personal regardless of how obnoxious the one person considers the second position to be. Your antagonist seems to delight in "half truths" or "maybe" couched as "truth" and isolated examples as "trends". It is not hard to be smarter than an ambivolant subject if one dispenses with the emotion. The fact is, we will not, in all likelyhood, change the industrial complex in the next couple generations (or even 50 years). By what wild stretch of the imagination is mutual distruction a bad thing? It is pretty fundamental to our species. It is war on a different plane. Disaster, if it comes at all, is likely food and water distribution (for whatever reason) that will have persidence. Personally I doubt if it amounts to humankind extermination. But if it does - it does. We've had doomsayers since the spoken word. Phone

All, I am having trouble recently accessing "fishbase.org". It is, IMO, hands down the "best" source for technical information regarding fish. Here's what I'm getting - - - ohh - - - maybe 75% of the time. "Can't connect to MySQL database (). Errorcode: %s Too many connections". Is it my computer or the site? Phone

Sean, You don't need me on this thread. I once steamed up the windows in the back of a small lorry. Been 60 year or more, believe her name was Lois. On topic, a friend, camping friend, uses a small battery operated fan that last 12 hrs on one battery. Helps some he says. It's not much bigger than a nice plum. Phone

Andrew, Spectacular report! I don't notice anything unusual with Michael's fishing bonnet. We have lots of em' Phone (Well, not really)

All, Navada, our driest state, has two native fish I'd like to catch just to say I have. They are now scarce as hen's teeth. The tui chubs and speckled dace are found only in Navada. Most all the watersheds in Navada are isolated one from the other. Nature did this all on her own. A sporting record may come in The Catostomidae, or sucker family. More and more angler are beginning to realize the treasure of these fishes as exclusively native to NA. They don't have to be big to be records. But since when does big and 'accomplishment' go hand in hand? Anyway, that's what I'd like to see. Phone (not sure how many AN members there are in NA - Newt?)

All, I am now forbidden from fishing alone under any circumstances, let alone at night. The issue, which my wife has layed down the law on, are health issues. No since being macho man. Safety is, and should be everyones, first consideration. While never much one for night fishing ever, I did a preponderance of my fishing alone. Now that I need someone to fish with, I look over my sholder and realize many of my best mates are gone. Phone

Cory, Noticed they will pass China in population in the next few years. No underestimation here. I'm old. Phone

Cory, Not sure? "Zero" and "one" are pretty much invented by the Indians. They haven't done much with them yet. Phone

Rusty, Cool, I thought the AN "Great Glossary" was a bit vague. Phone

Cory, Well, I don't want a political discussion but I do loathe the above mentioned names. What do ya' mean, they "want" our jobs. They "have" our jobs. The only thing we have that is still superioUr is IT. Espically over the UK (I read that somewhere). Phone (Ok, ok, I know what you do - I lied)

ayjay Thanks for the vote of confidence, it could have been those other things. No, I'm afraid the ones you are throwing away are what I'm talking. about. Wife and neighbor says I love them to death with to much water and fert. They are rotting at the ground surface. Phone There's next year. First time I've failed with geraniums. Thier quite large pot is also my ashtray. Not for butts but for ashes?