Fair play?

[chesters1]

Chesters.

Not sure if you like smartass quotations but if you do, try:

good stuff and he makes a fine ass pickle as well

[Ken L]

good stuff and he makes a fine ass pickle as well

 

I think I'll stick to Branston

[kleinboet]

I will try and put this in words you will understand.

As Total said, a further 300 foreigners are on their way, so why the palaver?

 

The palaver is that TOTAL BROKE the law!! As CC rightly pointed out, the applications have to be for EU residents - TOTAL denied any British worker the right to apply for the positions. All 300 are "imports"!!

 

Thats why they are protesting!!!

Edited February 4, 2009 by kleinboet

[Alan Stubbs]

I will try and put this in words you will understand.

As Total said, a further 300 foreigners are on their way, so why the palaver?

 

The palaver is that TOTAL BROKE the law!! As CC rightly pointed out, the applications have to be for EU residents - TOTAL denied any British worker the right to apply for the positions. All 300 are "imports"!!

 

Thats why they are protesting!!!

 

 

My understanding was that the workers, about which the protests are being made, are Portuguese and Italian and if that's the case, your knowledge of constituent members of the EU is somewhat and regrettably, lacking.

Edited February 4, 2009 by Alan Stubbs

[kleinboet]

Alan, If that's the case, why is Brown defending the decision? If we are EU members, then these vacancies should have been advertised within the EU. IF Total have not done that, they have broken EU regs TWICE!!

All Incapability Brown does is say MOST of the workers are British anyway!!

[captain cojones]

I will try and put this in words you will understand.

As Total said, a further 300 foreigners are on their way, so why the palaver?

 

The palaver is that TOTAL BROKE the law!! As CC rightly pointed out, the applications have to be for EU residents - TOTAL denied any British worker the right to apply for the positions. All 300 are "imports"!!

 

Thats why they are protesting!!!

 

i think you are confused here.

total did not "break the law"--they complied with it,by asking for tenders on the open market.

seven companies supplied tenders--5 british, and 2 foriegn.

the foriegn company won the contract.

the foriegn company,bring their company,plus workers,to complete the contract.

the british workers,(as part of the british companies)dont get the work. its that simple.

when one of these companies win contracts,they supply everything,knowledge,materials,AND WORKERS.

thats how it works,whether a british french,dutch or german company wins the contract.

the british arnt working,because their companies didnt win the contract.

question for you.

 

if one of the british companies had won the contract,would the portuguese be complaining,about not being able to do the work?

[captain cojones]

If we are EU members, then these vacancies should have been advertised within the EU.

what vacancies??

it was contracts tendered for......there were no "vacancies" as you put it.And it obviously WAS advertised,thats why an italian company ended up with the job.

[ColinW]

I was talking about this last night to a friend in the pub. He said it was "Unfair that these foreigners come over here taking British jobs. I can't go and be an accountant in France". When I asked him why not, I got the answer I expected.

"I can't speak French."

I think this says a lot about us Brits in general, and obviously even more about accountants!

I would move to Spain tomorrow. Unfortunately to earn what I earn now doing the job I do now I'd have to be fluent in Spanish. (The thought of the alternative, buying a bar and having to deal with British yob customers all day sends a shiver down my spine.)

That's my problem, not the EU's. It's me that is too lazy to learn Spanish.

Eventually I'll reach a stage when I don't need so much money any more and hopefully the europhobes won't have screwed up my chances of working in the sun as a pool cleaner or whatever!

[Alan Stubbs]

Alan, If that's the case, why is Brown defending the decision? If we are EU members, then these vacancies should have been advertised within the EU. IF Total have not done that, they have broken EU regs TWICE!!

All Incapability Brown does is say MOST of the workers are British anyway!!

Having prepared multi-national tenders for a healthcare company in the past - and successfully won several, I suggest I know what I'm talking about on a general level, here....

 

The contract was awarded to a company, not individual employees. The successful company can employ anyone who can prove the right to work in the UK. if they have experience of suitably qualified contractors in the past, it makes sound sense to use them. As EU qualified workers, they are deemed to be indigenous.

 

It can safely be suggested that Brown was being consistent in his advocacy of anti-protectionism, an issue he is currently dealing with in respect of the USA's declared 'Buy American' edict to the American people. Again, I stress that I am not a pro-Brown apologist in the least - quite the reverse.

 

Total don't have to advertise the vacancies at all, particularly if they are using legitmately qualified sub-contractors - and there's no evidence to suggest they haven't done so.

 

Reading your posts on this topic, it appears that you're looking for conspiracies which simply don't exist.

 

A propos of nothing in particular, I am amused at the BNP jumping on the protest bandwagon here.... they claim to be acting on behalf of the British worker. An interesting point, and maybe a damascene conversion because there's precious little genuine evidence of them having acted in the interests of the British worker in the past. Unless, of course, Mugabe-esque bully boy tactics are what is seen as pro-British worker.

Edited February 4, 2009 by Alan Stubbs

[DavyR]

A propos of nothing in particular, I am amused at the BNP jumping on the protest bandwagon here....

 

That doesn't surprise me in the least, Alan - the BNP has been making efforts of late to try to hitch traditional English folk music to their obnoxious bandwagon, to the extent of re-issuing complilation cds on their own labels...