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Super stuff Worms :) when will we get to see the drag setup, or is that the "secret" bit :)

 

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Hi Den, cheers. The drag itself is absolutely 'bog standard', A stainless steel drag disc bearing on a carbon matrix drag washer! The 'secret' bit is outboard of that but, suffice to say it adds increased rigidity (three bearings) and alleviates axial loads on the driven gear bearing in the outer casing!

 

The operating mechanism is also bog standard, A stainless face cam and a corresponding bronze operating disc in a conventional lever!

 

11 stainless bearing races in all!

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Ok, a bit more. I have machined the slot in the frame for the main spindle locating pin. This ensures that the spindle cannot rotate when thedrag lever is turned and also allows the spindle to slide towards the draglever end of the reel as the cam is operated.

 

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Next was the drag lever. Lots of components in this one but as usual it started off as a piece of 6082 T6 alloy!

 

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11 components later (and a couple of tuned springs and the drag lever is almost finished. Here it is sat on the quadrant. A spring loaded plunger engages with the holes in the quadrant (unfinished) and prevents the drag lever from moving when you don't want it to. When depressed, a second plunger that engages with the cutout on the quadrant allows the lever to advance to full from strike position and also to prevent accidentally knocking it into freespool with your jacket when you have a 155lb blue shark on the end of the line (yes, it happened to me!) with a Shimano Tyrnos.

 

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The next pic is of the drag disc being machined to take the splines of the driven gear. Lots of measurements and calculations were followed by a few (!) experimental runs on pices of scrap before embarking on the real thing!

 

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Lookin good...but when you startin me pin ? :unsure:

 

I was thinking that too, it's going to be a superb creation but it does seem to be detracting from the important things in life :D

It's never a 'six', let's put it back

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Great stuff as allways Worms!

Cheers, all.

 

An initial test shows 14% more drag than the reel that the drag washer came from. Then I adjusted the dreg setting..........looking optimistic B)

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More drag tests! I got the handle to a useable stage, fixed it on, wound some 250lb mono onto the spool and set up a spring balance using a lorry tyre lever and the vice.

 

The idea was to achieve 40lb of drag at full and to have the strike drag setting at 25lb. That was achieved easily with a straight pull and the reel not mounted on a rod. This will give in excess of the required figure when on a rod......in fact I put life and limb at risk and went up to 50lb on a straight pull.That's 50% more drag than the 'standard' reel allows before putting excess stress on the drive side end bearing!....the 250lb mono I was using to test it was stopping me from flying backwards through the workshop wall!

 

40lb full drag equates to an 80lb line class reel but, I would want to be seriously strapped in if I had a fish peeling off line with the drag set on full................and a bigger boat!

 

Now I just have to experiment with the disc spring configuration (Belleville washers are usually used, disc springs are slightly more precise in that they are designed with machined edges for mounting against bearings). These are arranged on the 'pull' side of the spool and allow a cushioning effect to the way the drag comes in. At the moment I have them set up a little on the hard side so the drag comes in later and increases in pressure quickly. I will arrange them to soften the effect so that the drag is effective over a wider range.

 

The next job is to mount the rod fixing and make the clamp, make the harness lugs, the ratchet pawls, the clicker mechanism, finish machining the blind end of the frame and the drag lever quadrant, do a lot of polishing and get it anodised.

 

Might be finished by Christmas :clap2:

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I am always in awe of all you guys who build reels and rods and it's always interesting reading about your projects.

Stephen

 

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I am always in awe of all you guys who build reels and rods and it's always interesting reading about your projects.

Cheers Dales.

 

I just loaded 600yds of hollow core 100lb braid and fitted the test ratchet pawl. I tried the straight pull test again and immediately pulled 55lb on full drag. I went a little further but backed off just short of 60lb.

 

Now the plan is to set a limit below this for testing as I can't see the need for a 130lb line class reel in this country. I've got a few little mods to make to the ratchet system so the Mk II pawl will be developed shortly (it didn't break, I just feel a better design coming on!).

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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