NHS TO BE NO MORE

[cleeclive]

What good are low interest rates if you can’t borrow, not exactly encouraging saving are they?

 

What is wrong with capitalism? It has to be better than communism that has left Eastern Europe in ruin and in the hands of criminals and a corrupt police force.

 

One thing for sure we won't have Labour back for many a year so get used to it.

 

If Gordon Brown the so called prudent Chancellor had not been still borrowing money to fund his quangoes and create non-jobs in the public sector at the height of the economic boom, during Blair's regime you might not have needed a Tory Government to sort the mess out. The Man was a total decieptful fraud throughot his time in office. The height of an economic boom is the time when anyone with any brains would have been building up reserves for the enevitable rainy day. The man should have been locked up!

 

Regarding the NHS, it has been its own worst enemy, because as healthcare improves it keeps the majority of us alive for 10-15 years longer, during which time we are knocking on its door for cancer care heart by-pass ops etc and a bucket full of tablets every week. As we are staying alive we want more pension etc, none of this is sustainable with the small number of tax payers who have to fork out for this.

 

If the money is not coming into the tax man he aint got it to spend on the welfare state. Gordon Browns idea of fiscal stimulus with other peoples money is utter bullshit and I do not think that any of our Bank managers would stand for it.

 

Fundamentally if we want a good health care we will have to pay for it, because Labours ideas don't work and never will work. You cant live off borrowed money without paying it back plus interest, and I have no sympathy with the lazy gits in this country that won't work and expect the state to provide for them.

[big_cod]

If Gordon Brown the so called prudent Chancellor had not been still borrowing money to fund his quangoes and create non-jobs in the public sector at the height of the economic boom, during Blair's regime you might not have needed a Tory Government to sort the mess out. The Man was a total decieptful fraud throughot his time in office. The height of an economic boom is the time when anyone with any brains would have been building up reserves for the enevitable rainy day. The man should have been locked up!

 

Regarding the NHS, it has been its own worst enemy, because as healthcare improves it keeps the majority of us alive for 10-15 years longer, during which time we are knocking on its door for cancer care heart by-pass ops etc and a bucket full of tablets every week. As we are staying alive we want more pension etc, none of this is sustainable with the small number of tax payers who have to fork out for this.

 

If the money is not coming into the tax man he aint got it to spend on the welfare state. Gordon Browns idea of fiscal stimulus with other peoples money is utter bullshit and I do not think that any of our Bank managers would stand for it.

 

Fundamentally if we want a good health care we will have to pay for it, because Labours ideas don't work and never will work. You cant live off borrowed money without paying it back plus interest, and I have no sympathy with the lazy gits in this country that won't work and expect the state to provide for them.

 

Clive i think you are a very lucky man to have worked in job funded by the tax payer every man is entitled to his own opion in all the gloom that you have built up of the labour goverment did you claim the cash for your winter fuel payment please dont tell me you did and did you use your free bus pass or did you say its costing the country to much money and didnt claim any of these horrible benefits if you are talking about really taking the **** clive eric pickles awarding himself a £70,000 jag for starters now that bullshit whats the the torys keep saying or camerons favorite saying is WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER now thats really taking the **** .

 

paul.

Edited January 25, 2011 by Newt

[flapper]

If Gordon Brown the so called prudent Chancellor had not been still borrowing money to fund his quangoes and create non-jobs in the public sector at the height of the economic boom, during Blair's regime you might not have needed a Tory Government to sort the mess out. The Man was a total decieptful fraud throughot his time in office. The height of an economic boom is the time when anyone with any brains would have been building up reserves for the enevitable rainy day. The man should have been locked up!

 

Regarding the NHS, it has been its own worst enemy, because as healthcare improves it keeps the majority of us alive for 10-15 years longer, during which time we are knocking on its door for cancer care heart by-pass ops etc and a bucket full of tablets every week. As we are staying alive we want more pension etc, none of this is sustainable with the small number of tax payers who have to fork out for this.

 

If the money is not coming into the tax man he aint got it to spend on the welfare state. Gordon Browns idea of fiscal stimulus with other peoples money is utter bullshit and I do not think that any of our Bank managers would stand for it.

 

Fundamentally if we want a good health care we will have to pay for it, because Labours ideas don't work and never will work. You cant live off borrowed money without paying it back plus interest, and I have no sympathy with the lazy gits in this country that won't work and expect the state to provide for them.

So you’re saying that Gordon Brown was to blame for the collapse of the worlds banking? Because he was spending too much of the British tax payers money on quangoes. Should he have scraped the minimum wage and stopped the affordable housing programme that brought housing to thousands who would never been able to get on the ladder at the same time? Or Should he of scraped all the compensation that went out to miners, steel workers, deep sea fishermen and there family’s that had been well overdue through the Thatcher years.

Millions of people are unemployed in this country and many millions more will follow them because of the fundamental failure of capitalism. There not lazy gits as you put it, there just the fall out of capitalist greed.

China now accepted as a bigger monetary supper power than America.

[big_cod]

What good are low interest rates if you can’t borrow, not exactly encouraging saving are they?

 

What is wrong with capitalism? It has to be better than communism that has left Eastern Europe in ruin and in the hands of criminals and a corrupt police force.

 

One thing for sure we won't have Labour back for many a year so get used to it.

 

Allow bob me old suger dont you bank on it mate the torys are doing there best to impolde its only early days before it all goes horribly wrong pistols at dawn before the year is out the country is allready rumbleing maggy thatcher all over again but people are allready seing right through it and oh dear there is nothing left to sell off just what is mr cameron going to bribe the electorate with .

 

paul.

Edited January 22, 2011 by big_cod

[barry luxton]

So you’re saying that Gordon Brown was to blame for the collapse of the worlds banking? Because he was spending too much of the British tax payers money on quangoes. Should he have scraped the minimum wage and stopped the affordable housing programme that brought housing to thousands who would never been able to get on the ladder at the same time? Or Should he of scraped all the compensation that went out to miners, steel workers, deep sea fishermen and there family’s that had been well overdue through the Thatcher years.

Millions of people are unemployed in this country and many millions more will follow them because of the fundamental failure of capitalism. There not lazy gits as you put it, there just the fall out of capitalist greed.

China now accepted as a bigger monetary supper power than America.

 

Don't you remember his boom and bust speach. Better than that, what about his we're in the best position to ride out the storm speach, got that one wrong didn't he. World banking, hummmmmm, his party invented the fsa quango to oversee our banks and took power from the bank of England. Got that one wrong as well. The immigration non policy has put paid to any social housing, along with over stretched services.. What about the 60,000 or so failed asylum seekers. Blair and browns, policy r us crew invented 3-4 thousand new laws to rule over us, along with one of the most watched nations in the civilized world, certainly done good. Tell me what can you say they got right during their hold over the country for 13 years. I remember they took over with a positive economy, they ended up with the biggest deficit in our history. Now the country is in one of the worst positions apart from a few e u spendthrifts. What did they spend our gold on, 5 bill a year private pension rob, best of all why did brown give our hard earned maggie rebate back to the eu and what was that used for. I am aware they invented the stealth tax industry, shall we have a look at that one, with regards to collect and spend.

 

Reply to my questions in a favourable light and you just might convert me to errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the left.

Edited January 23, 2011 by barry luxton

[cleeclive]

Allow bob me old suger dont you bank on it mate the torys are doing there best to impolde its only early days before it all goes horribly wrong pistols at dawn before the year is out the country is allready rumbleing maggy thatcher all over again but people are allready seing right through it and oh dear there is nothing left to sell off just what is mr cameron going to bribe the electorate with .

 

paul.

 

 

I am not blaming Gordon Brown for the colapse of the world economy, that was totally down to eveyone living on borowed money that they could never afford to pay back, a policy that Labour seem to embrace so they may not have set a very good example to the rest of us.

 

If I recall the last time we had a housing boom that went bang is was in the 80's during the Maggie reign and I thought it would never happen again, but this time it was under a labour reign.

 

During Maggies time the British economy was based on industry, a property boom that went wrong and the city

 

During Gordon and Tony's reign thge British economy was based on property values, money laundering in the City and the Brits selling consultancy services and expertise.

 

When two of those go belly up at the same time we are in trouble.

 

I am sorry but I fail to see how we can borrow our way out of this

 

I know that a lot of people are loosing their jobs who do not deserve to, but there is a degree of agency work out there, and there are opportunities for the self motivated but not everyone. It is the workshy who think they a born to live on benefits that I resent and I know quite a few of them, so it was somewhat unfair to generalise.

 

I have just started getting my heating allowance but I don't need a bus pass thanks Paul, and I will accept that I may have been privaleged. However I did get made redundant in 99, but have never been out of work for a day since, just moved into self employment.

 

Anyway you know me I enjoy chucking a bit of petrol on the fire!!!!, what was it Never Discuss Politics or Religion the old man taught me.

[barry luxton]

If I recall the last time we had a housing boom that went bang is was in the 80's during the Maggie reign and I thought it would never happen again, but this time it was under a labour reign.

 

 

 

During Gordon and Tony's reign thge British economy was based on property values, money laundering in the City and the Brits selling consultancy services and expertise.

 

 

 

I am sorry but I fail to see how we can borrow our way out of this

 

I know that a lot of people are loosing their jobs who do not deserve to, but there is a degree of agency work out there, and there are opportunities for the self motivated but not everyone. It is the workshy who think they a born to live on benefits that I resent and I know quite a few of them, so it was somewhat unfair to generalise.

 

Plenty of warning at that time, the housing boom will come down, yet mortgages were being invented like confetti, knowing that it would be impossible to pay them back. It was all based on property values and they were getting overheated big time. So many thousand idiots failed with negative equity when the housing market adjusted itself to a realistic value. Good for those who got it right. To those who got it wrong, i'm so very soooooory for you.

 

Apart from labour borrowing money that we can't to pay back, they also invented quantitative easing. Like that word but all it meant was print more and more of the stuff.

 

Ahh jobs in the public sector. Unfortunately the likes of Manchester for example have definitely overheated during the socialist 13 year reign, with regards to their situation as more than 40% have jobs within that sector, so that bubble will have to burst at sometime all in one basket is not a good thing. Much like us in the eu i suppose.

Edited January 23, 2011 by barry luxton

[Bob Shotter]

Oh how sad it is to live in the blinkered world of having to tow the Labour line just like your dad and his dad, dare you not even consider that you or they might just be wrong.

 

Let me start with your pal Gordon then Flapper he has used the bank crash to try and hide his huge failings but only the blinkered cant see that, do you think Barry is lying did he and Blair not inherit a country in profit yes or no?

 

The minimum wage would not have been necessary had there been more restrictions on immigration and backed with a proper border control.

 

You then quote China and the only reason they do well is because they have embraced capitalism while using the cheap labour, yes their bowl of rice, know no better people who are forced to put up with it or get locked up.

 

Paul mate I have just had a flash back to the early years of Blair and his chancer chancellor who decided to stick 5p on fuel, it used to be done by the gallon but this was the first time the litre was used so in truth we were stuffed with a 25p increase the biggest hike ever. With money in the bank, why would he / they need to do that? Was it to pay for the on coming war or the need to grab as much as possible to throw at the NHS dinosaur. You know the only way Labour tackles any problem has been to throw money at it and hope for the best.

 

Any way I assume the similarity of inflated fuel cost that nearly brought down young Blair might be more successful this time. In fact it looks from the way you put it that you would support unrest to bring down an elected administration, a government of national unity that is faced with clearing up the mess of thirteen years of mis-management. It aint gonna happen Paul and heaven help us if it does.

 

Tight lines Bob

Edited January 23, 2011 by Deene'0

[flapper]

Gordon Brown was at his finest in the autumn of 2008, when the Western capitalist system collapsed with the meltdown of the big investment banks. Deploying his experience of the world economy and financial markets, he forced the U.S. President, George W Bush, to wake up to the gravity of the situation, and through an act of will he brought the international financial community together.

There is no question that at a time of intense international crisis, when global economies appeared on the verge of collapse and destruction, the British prime minister rose to the occasion and arguably saved Western capitalism.

president obama talkeing about brown shortley after his resignation.

[flapper]

Let us look back to 1997: it was quite a different country and Britain was behind the rest of the world in number of important areas. For instance in 1995 the majority of European nations had a minimum wage including not just countries such as France, Spain, Belgium, and the Netherlands but also less developed countries including Romania, Slovakia, Lithuania, Latvia and Malta. Britain remained one of the few without one until it was instituted a year after Blair’s election victory. Even the United States, the UK’s partner in neo-liberalism, instituted its minimum wage in the 1930s.

And did somebody want me to list some of the achievements of the last labour government? Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.Low mortgage rates introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled. Employment was at its highest level ever. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries. 85,000 more nurses.32,000 more doctors. Brought back matrons to hospital wards. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice. Restored city-wide government to London. Record number of students in higher education. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.

Free TV licences for over-75s. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.

Over 3 million child trust funds have been started. Free eye test for over 60s. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships. Free entry to national museums and galleries.

Overseas aid budget more than doubled. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.

Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds

Any more questions?