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http://www.sussex-sfc.gov.uk/documents/Rec...%20BS%20RSG.pdf

 

One of many? I note the key word is precautionary, will that keyword be the be all and end all of closing areas of sea because it looks like something is being done to protect the stock, thats without evidence of depletion. Is this what some people are rubbing their hands for? I note that there is also no scientific studies done that confirms the stock is in decline and no one can say that it is. So, the only valid reason for restriction is precautionary. Everyone ok with that?

 

The reef i use for bream is a little way down the coast, can't be trawled in any event, sometimes there are many charter boats in the area enjoying the sport. Thank goodness the one i use isn't in the spotlight. Should i be concerned for my angling and the charter boats business in the future?

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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http://www.sussex-sfc.gov.uk/documents/Rec...%20BS%20RSG.pdf

 

One of many? I note the key word is precautionary, will that keyword be the be all and end all of closing areas of sea because it looks like something is being done to protect the stock, thats without evidence of depletion. Is this what some people are rubbing their hands for? I note that there is also no scientific studies done that confirms the stock is in decline and no one can say that it is. So, the only valid reason for restriction is precautionary. Everyone ok with that?

 

The reef i use for bream is a little way down the coast, can't be trawled in any event, sometimes there are many charter boats in the area enjoying the sport. Thank goodness the one i use isn't in the spotlight. Should i be concerned for my angling and the charter boats business in the future?

 

 

This is probably going to set a trend.

 

As there are currently no analytical scientific assessments conducted by ICES or Cefas on the status of the black bream stock in the Channel it is not possible to evaluate if the fishery is sustainable (Armstrong et. al. pers. comm. 2010). The Committee believes that the protection of sensitive spawning areas is therefore consistent with a precautionary approach.

 

In other words, we don't have a clue about the state of the bream stocks in the channel and we can't find a good reason to protect them. We can't really justify restrictions , but we've been told we've got to protect something, somewhere, and we won't get paid unless we do. So we're going to do it here under the precautionary label.

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Hi Barry read through your link and did not see any mention of the said area being turned (or recommended to be) a no take zone.

Flapper.

 

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The Committee considers that the IFCA should close the designated area to all fishing gears

during the nesting period of the bream

 

The Committee recommends the closure of the area permanently to all mobile fishing gears to

protect the integrity of the reef network which appears linked to the fish spawning aggregation

in the area.

 

 

 

I think you will find if you read it again yourself that this about covers all, yes it appears to be a 2-3 month ban for all and trawlers will be banned permanently. The area in question is also not on the reef itself, but close by. To me, my interpretation is a permanent ban on commercial take and the temporary ban on everyone else. thin end of the wedge, based on precaution. That ok with you. It started off because some saw that one commercial boat in particular to their horror managed to work out how to catch the bream without trawling the reef, put two and two together and concluded that the stock was being decimated without evidence of the same.

 

In any event, this will give the committee power to ban all an an assumption, in particular if you get a jumped up sfc officer as demonstrated in another topic who has the appearance of hating the rsa for no reason other than he can. Sits ok with you that one. :huh:

 

I note that they use the word 'appears' in this instance, what that assumption covers is smoke and mirror that the horrible trawlers where dragging over all. That is not true.

 

I think that the powers of the new committees, based on what i have seen to date will definitely mean the angler will need to be quick off the mark as it certainly appears that more and more legislation is being directed to them for precautionary control, sits well with all?

 

This is the same style as what happend to the tope take ban. In that instance, origionally there was an assumption that a commercially valuless fish was to be targetted. In reality it was someone taking the proverbial. Now the ban is in place, the angler has to send a tope back bleeding from the gills knowing that it will die. The trust has recently re-approved this ban without consultation with the anglers who this ban affects, yet they support hue's disgard fight.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Barry.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that there are only 2 no take zones in place at the moment. I don’t believe that a SFC officer (regardless as to how jumped up he is) can put a NTZ in place.

Consultations with all stake holders would have to be in place and at the end of the day it is DEFRA who have the last say. Still I do understand what you mean about the Power that the new IFCA will have but I would have thought that this would be a good thing. Local issues being sorted by local authorities?

If you have problems with your local SFC I could only recommend you trying to join that IFCA and becoming an active member on the decisions that they make. All the same I wish you all the best in your part of the world and hope you as a stakeholder can work with your local authorities.

We all no that in life negotiation and compromise in reality are the only positive steps forward.

Flapper

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What a great idea. What we need is catch and release or senesible bag limits time sea angling was bough into the twentyfisrt centry and lost it cave man mentality

 

Well, no one is stopping you, Reg. You set whatever bag limit you like for yourself and release as many fish as you want to. Go on, fill your boots.

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Well, no one is stopping you, Reg. You set whatever bag limit you like for yourself and release as many fish as you want to. Go on, fill your boots.

 

But remember that, now that article 55 brings RSA's into the CFP, C&R will count as discards.

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Well, no one is stopping you, Reg. You set whatever bag limit you like for yourself and release as many fish as you want to. Go on, fill your boots.

 

 

Come on then Steve, who is this Reg guy you appear to know. :D

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Seems to me Steve you and Barry are on the wrong forum , this is an angling forum you two seem to be the voice of Comerical fishing you have no interest in presevring fish stocks and are constanly telling us every thing is rosy in the sea, there is no such thing as sustainable netting it all has an effect on fish stocks.

The sooner we have no take zones the better, you only got to look at the USA and the plight of it,s sea fishing before no take zones were interduced and the quality of fishing now .

 

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