Zander cooked in Revenge?

[Guest redfin2]

OK, if you want to discuss it like adults, what experience is your opinion based on? I've already given mine in previous posts.

 

To keep it simple.......

 

Zander probably won't bite through Mono, Pike will.

 

Really Anderloo it is you that is out of step here, but hey it's a free world, if you want to use mono that's up to you.

[Rob Ward]

To keep it simple.......

 

Zander probably won't bite through Mono, Pike will.

 

Really Anderloo it is you that is out of step here, but hey it's a free world, if you want to use mono that's up to you.

 

Can you explain the problem if you're using small jigs and singles?

[Anderoo]

To keep it simple.......

 

Zander probably won't bite through Mono, Pike will.

 

Really Anderloo it is you that is out of step here, but hey it's a free world, if you want to use mono that's up to you.

 

Yes I know, I said the same thing in a previous post. So if you're using a very selective method for zander that means (a) hits from pike are extremely rare and ( using fluorocarbon (not mono) rather than wire means you catch an awful lot more zander, why would you use wire?

 

If I am out of line, then so are all the Europeans who jig for zander, because they all use fluorocarbon, as do the US walleye anglers.

 

Try both, and see for yourself.

Edited March 4, 2012 by Anderoo

[Phone]

Androo,

 

Yes, you're right on both points. (You've said that before also - you think anyone in the UK is going to listen? Take it from a foreigner - they don't)

 

Phone

 

Maybe this would be a good place for me to suggest using ferrious hooks. (I believe that is the 3,000th time I've suggested that. Ferrous metal hooks are thrown easily before any real damage is done to a fish that might accidently end up with it embedded).

[Renrag39]

I've just started using FC for lure fishing. Where I fish there is no way I can claim to be fishing for 'Perch Only'. So far 3 Pike and a Perch on one FC trace and 2 Pike on another. So far no nicks, roughness or damage that I can see, even with a magnifying glass.

 

Still wouldn't even consider it for baitfishing. Lures only.

As far as I'm concerned, every trace will eventually fail somewhere down the line. If I have FC, so far, I feel I'm more likely to notice any damage than on Steel traces and much more likely than on Ti traces.

[chesters1]

i once said i used single 2/0's on 60lb mono for pike 30 years ago the shock in the bailiffs eyes was amusing to see ,even stranger i was "summoned" up to the committee (sp?) to explain my actions ,it fell on deaf ears and i was instructed to use both wire and trebles for pike.

 

30 years pass now strangely in one lake your instructed to use singles for bait and on lures because catfish are in the pond! (just as many pike as far as i know)

 

now i follow the rules now they are in black and white (before i was only bending the "expected" fashion)

 

now with singles IMHO if you have a break theres not two other points that could foul the pikes mouth or more importantly stop it eating if its food became snagged on the two remaining hooks ,pike do have tongues but i doubt they are as able to move about in the mouth as ours for manipulating food.

 

and the mono ,more of a difficult bit to justify except its really easy to see if its starting to fail just by running it between your fingers if there's abrasion you cut it up and dispose of it.

 

having used both i have never had a break in mono (in the mono itself) plenty with single strand wire and a couple with multi strand wire .

i have never used heavy flouro (i have it on my carp reels but only 15lb because theres a great risk of catching a cat where i go carping) so i cannot give my opinion on it ,nor on zander and as you see in this thread i havnt mentioned them and only gave my opinion on the opinions in the post

 

unfortunately when you join a club theres rules that at the time may be wise but later change ,having joined the club you follow the club rules whether its (in your opinion) bad ,you change them only if you can get enough people thinking the same thing and perhaps as we know lots of people thinking the same thing can be wrong

Edited March 5, 2012 by chesters1

[Anderoo]

The key thing is the selectivity of the method, despite whether pike are present or not. It took me a little while to really believe it, but using the little jigs right on the deck is unbelievably selective. You do pick up the very occasional pike and I wouldn't pretend otherwise, but even then because of the way the method works you almost always land them because you feel the take immediately and the trace never gets near their teeth. If a pike does bite you off - it's a small single hook.

 

A fish bait on a couple of trebles is a totally different scenario and of course it is not anywhere near as selective, and trebles will stitch up a fish's gullet, so wire is the only sensible option.

 

I don't really mind how anyone else fishes and I'm not trying to convince anyone (and if the rules insist on wire, then wire it has to be) but I've changed my mind completely over the last couple of seasons. Same as with the perch fishing too.

[Dales]

Any one need some Pike leaders?

 

http://www.berkley-fishing.com/products/te...ocarbon-leaders

 

I think when compared to what is going on around the rest of the world the UK is along way behind in modern predator fishing thinking and methods.

 

I think I posted an article a few years back about Archie Braddock who had taken to using mono/flurocarbon cant remember which for Pike fishing and at the time I was a little shocked. But from fishing abroad and picking up ideas from guides etc it does seem like we have a set of standard practices that have been set in stone and very few people even consider an alternative.

 

I am not saying there is anything wrong with the standard wire trace and trebles approach and most things stand the test of time because they work. I am also not saying that there methods are better and we should blindly follow them. However there does seem to be an instant reaction in angling to jump on any one who ever deviates from normal excepted practice in all forms of fishing and it seems even more so in predator fishing.

 

Bury Hill introduced a single hook rule a few years ago and I was horrified by it and soon after the rule was introduced I had a deep hooked Zander on a single and thought the idea was rubbish. Over time I have become a fan of singles for certain types of Zander fishing and the presentation of baits is far superior to the old snap tackle set up. Still think trebles is better for Pike fishing, when experienced predator anglers make a point on fishing techniques based on their experiences then I would tend to listen to them. However often its anglers who have read a lot regurgitating "standard practices" back in parrot fashion.

 

I have no idea of the "predator credentials" of those who posted on this thread and to be honest I don't care much whether you have 4 minutes or 40 years but just because some one does not follow the herd it does not mean they are doing something wrong. Well they might be but hope you get my point

 

As pointed out by others if the rules state wire/breaking strains etc then I think they should be followed or you find some other place to fish. I think I missed out on some big Perch recently as the rules stated wire trace for livos. On a different water with out the rule I may have tried with out the wire, but on this river it is a sensable rule as there are plenty of Pike. Anglers seem obsessed with trying to add extra tiers of rules and regulations. There should be room to experiment a little and also offer an alternative point of view without getting your head bitten off.

[chesters1]

nice and short too

[Dales]

nice and short too

 

 

The length of trace material, now there is another whole Argument/Debate in its own right.